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tkihshbt wrote:

Second, what Brown did at the convenience store is irrelevant to the facts about what happened at the shooting that day, especially since Ferguson PD said that Wilson did not know anything about Brown being a suspect in the robbery, which just so happened to change when giving his testimony.

Third, I still don't believe that human beings, even ones as large as Brown, morph into the Incredible Hulk and charge at a cop who just shot multiple times in your direction.
 

 

First (second) point is completely false.  He didnt know it at the time he first saw the subjects.  After briefly interacting with them he figured it out and radioed for another unit.  Even if he never figured it out what happend at the gas station is very relevant because it explain motive and browns behavior.  You could not be more wrong. 

Watch the video i posted.  The guy was shot in the gut and still kicked the officers ass.

I guess this is where my belief for the cop comes in. I'm not sure how you get a guilty conviction off anything when one witness (45) swears MB didn't charge, didn't jump into the car, Wilson repeatedly shot at him when he was down, MB was busy though, somehow facing Wilson, while running away, somehow kneeling with his hands up while being shot at. 

Witness 12 accurately testified there were 9 or 10, I mean 5 or 6, no I mean 8 shots fired.

How in the hell can you prosecute someone with this???
Uh.... tell me someone got a youtube of that magic.... Say what? He did at least have the grace to say that there were 10 or 11 shots fired. 

tkihshbt wrote:

alz wrote:

I don't have the first clue. I certainly would have done things differently, beginning with not robbing the convenience store, throwing the clerk into the shelve, and ending with me doing what the officer asked me to. I however am not Michael Brown, and because of these differences between us, I'm alive. To ask me to believe, however, that an officer with a good record of 6 years used this stop to intentionally murder an 18 year old black kid in broad daylight for the most minor strong arm robbery ever seen, and not shoot the witness who was right there? That's too far for my imagination to reach without very solid proof.

First, nobody ever said that Wilson set out that day to commit what would amount to first degree murder.

Second, what Brown did at the convenience store is irrelevant to the facts about what happened at the shooting that day, especially since Ferguson PD said that Wilson did not know anything about Brown being a suspect in the robbery, which just so happened to change when giving his testimony.

Third, I still don't believe that human beings, even ones as large as Brown, morph into the Incredible Hulk and charge at a cop who just shot multiple times in your direction.
 

Someone had to make some crazy decisions. Either Brown came back at him, or Wilson murdered him without cause. There's no middle ground there really.

Witnesses... There's a spreadsheet of all the key points and where the testimony is. It's all over the board. I think 5 witnesses swore Michael Brown was not even present during the exchange, and Darren Wilson was actually on a Buddhist sabatical to better understand flower structures... There's nothing you can accurately rely on there.

Even the closest witness, who was there and saw the whole thing, who stood by and didn't help his friend, and didn't try to calm things down with the cop either. He did and said nothing as his friend was shot down in front of him. He couldn't even tell the Grand Jury how Michael Brown was try to pull away from the cop when he explained he had 2 handfuls of Cigarello's, and 2 hands against the car trying to break free. Apparently Mike Brown morphs into the Hulk, and it comes with two additional arms. Now that's a very threatening human being to reckon with.

I thought it was established that he was facing him and started coming toward him, but the dispute is the manner in which he did it. I just don't know how we go from "he's running away" to "wait a minute, I'm a black demon, so I'll just go back at him."

tkihshbt wrote:

If you haven't seen people talking about Dillon Taylor, then you're not looking hard enough. It hasn't had the same amount of attention as the Michael Brown ordeal, but it's still been discussed.

As for "The Mauler," it's truly interesting times when black people transform into demons, hulk up and charge a police officer shooting at them. Frankly, I think the story sounds about as likely as me banging Kate Upton, but...umm, okay.

Then all you have to do is explain how the two blood stains (the two circles farthest to the right on the diagram) ended up 20+ feet further east than Mike Brown's body if he wasn't moving toward Wilson.

Also the shell casings.  How do the shell casings (which kick right from a semi-automatic weapon) end up, in some cases, further east of Wilson's body unless Wilson was actually east of where Brown ultimately fell and moved back to the west as Brown was moving toward him?


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artie_fufkin wrote:

"How do you feel Officer Wilson failed?"

Oh, I don't know. The dead body? I think we've exhausted all sides of the discussion here. If the three of you want to keep insisting we ought to live in a police state where a cop can shoot an unarmed kid and not have to answer for it, that's your prerogative. But I've got other things to do than bang my head against a wall with this issue.

Sorry if a 300 pound kid manhandled him, and he felt his life was in danger after barely getting away (having to shoot from inside the cruiser), and more importantly, i can't disprove anything about his version of the events.... I'm not sure how it would be justice to go ahead with a trial that had 0% chance of winning.

You haven't shed a single tear for Dillon Taylor though. Nobody has, and he never touched the police officer who shot him. Is it better when a black cop shoots a white guy? It shouldn't be, but that guy had a past. He also had headphones and made a sudden movement. He's dead now. He didn't grab the cop, punch him, cuss him out, grab his gun, get shot at, come back at the cop, and get shot (Mike brown did this). He didn't comply with instruction, wearing headphones, he may not have heard it. Then he made a movement that looked like he was bringing out a weapon. He was unarmed, and actually might have just been pulling up his pants. He is dead though, and all America cares about is Mike "the mauler" Brown who got seriously high on some good blunt, and tried getting physical with one too many people.

It's sad to me. There are more worthy cases that deserve protest.

" I think we've exhausted all sides of the discussion here."


¤Other than the fact the Titanic ended up at the bottom of the ocean, it was a successful voyage.

▪and he may have to move to another community, but at least he's still above ground and breathing.

▪Really? Wilson, who is living and breathing, is the victim, as opposed to the dead man?

▪The bottom line is a young man who was unarmed was shot to death by a police officer, and according to the system, the person who is responsible is the dead kid. Now, tell me again what part is absurd?

▪I guarantee he won't make the same mistakes again. 

▪but he didn't deserve to die because he stole a handful of cigars and wouldn't walk on a sidewalk.

▪At least he still has one to live. Unlike Mr. Brown.

▪Oh, I don't know. The dead body? 

You have not discussed it.  If you refuse to that isfine.  However it isnt fair to say one side is wrong and not be able to say why.  Simply stating you disagree with the end result over and over does not mean you discussed the issue.  This is what the brown side has done.  They call for change and how unfair this was but get stuck on the same points you have.  Yes brown is dead and he didnt have a gun.  That isnt the whole story.  If the brown side cant understand that then neither side can have a discussion and neither side will.  It is impossible.  Anything the wilson side says is over ruled by, "brown is dead".  If anyone actually thinks that is the point that wins this debate the debate itself is pointless.