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This will obviously be the biggest topic of the off-season, figured we might as well give it its own thread.
I saw this story about the Angels and the likelihood that they were out of the market for a high priced free agent.
It got me thinking, who really are the teams likely to enter the Pujols bidding. My thoughts
AL West
Seattle- no (terrible team, can't imagine Pujols would be interested)
Oakland- no (small market)
Anaheim- apparently not
Texas- yes
AL Central
Detroit- no (been cutting back spending, already have huge $$$ tied up in Cabrera)
Chicago- no (lot of money in Konerko/Dunn)
Kansas City- no (small market)
Cleveland- no (small market)
Minnesota- no (small market, all of their money in Morneau and Mauer)
AL East
Boston- no (unless Ortiz leaves, then maybe)
New York Yankees (maybe, if Pujols or Texieria are willing to DH, but they have a lot of other areas to address)
Toronto (can't imagine he'd want to go there)
Baltimore (can't imagine he'd want to go there)
Tampa (small market)
NL East
Philadelphia- no (Howard)
New York M- no (financial disaster)
Atlanta- no (limited spending)
Florida- maybe, but I can't imagine why he'd want to go to a team that was 18 games under .500
Washington- maybe, but would he want to play in a bad hitters park
NL Central
Chicago- yes
Milwaukee- no (if they could spend it, they'd spend it on Fielder)
Cincinnati- no (Votto)
Pittsburgh- no (small market)
Houston- no (and why on earth would he want to play for Round Rock)
NL West
San Francisco- perhaps, but another really bad hitters park
San Diego- no (small market, bad team)
Los Angeles- maybe if they have finances resolved, but they have a lot of their own players to pay soon
Colorado- no (limited market, most of their money tied up in Gonzalez and Tulo)
Arizona- no (small market)
IMO, the market is basically the Cubs, maybe Texas, maybe the Yankees, maybe Florida, maybe Washington, maybe San Francisco and maybe the Dodgers. All things considered, that isn't a huge market, and isn't necessarily an attractive market for a player who wants to win and who probably wants to pursue a variety of individual milestones.
Anyone think any other teams will enter the mix?
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Alot of those "maybe" teams are likely going to be draw to the other lower cost big name free agents like Kelly Johnson, Alex Gonzalez, Jose Reyes, Jimmy Rollins, Aramis Ramirez, Carlos Beltran ect. Also CC Sabathia opted out of his contract. That might make the Yankees focus on replacing him or resigning him rather then messing with Pujols.
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Honestly this is going to be one of the better years to rebuild a team through free agenty. I bet you could put together a playoff team with free agents and not reach 100 million. It is much better then the years when Carlos Silva was the best free agent pitcher.
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The Yankees already resigned CC
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Babe Ruth has hit the market, and frankly I rationalize that few teams will be interested . . .
forsberg_us wrote:
. . . Anyone think any other teams will enter the mix?
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Just fer fun:
Cubs Payroll
2011: $ 125,047,329
2010: $ 146,609,000
Net savings $ 21,561,671
The Cubs could pay what the Cardinals are offering without even increasing payroll over where they were two seasons ago.
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"Anyone think any other teams will enter the mix?"
I've been listening a lot to MLB Radio and the teams that were mentioned were the Cubs, the Blue Jays, the Rangers, and the Dodgers, if McCourt sells the team.
I'd say the Yankees and Red Sox are out, unless Albert wants to be a DH. So you're already starting with the three biggest payroll teams out of the mix, and if the Angels aren't interested the field of big spenders narrows further.
Throw in the notion that Fielder is going to end up somewhere, and Albert is looking at a very small market.
BTW, the outside perspective on all this is a near certainty Pujols is going to end up back in St. Louis.
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I think it boils down to:
-Texas
-Toronto
-Chicago
-St. Louis
Toronto is the darkest of dark horses. Texas and Chicago will be vying for Fielder since he's younger. I guess that's what it comes down to. Will the loser of the Fielder sweepstakes decide to go all-out for Pujols?
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tkihshbt wrote:
I think it boils down to:
-Texas
-Toronto
-Chicago
-St. Louis
Toronto is the darkest of dark horses. Texas and Chicago will be vying for Fielder since he's younger. I guess that's what it comes down to. Will the loser of the Fielder sweepstakes decide to go all-out for Pujols?
I'm really curious whether this will be the Fielder sweepstakes, or whether the loser of the Pujols sweepstakes will go all out for Fielder.
4 years older, but so much more proven.
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I was thinking as I typed the original post, "I wonder which one (Pujols or Fielder) signs first." Historically, Boras has had little problem letting his clients languish in the free agent market until deep into the off-season, sometimes even into spring training. That being the case, it makes sense to think that Pujols may sign first.
Having said that, I don't think this gets resolved quickly. IMO, middle of December at the earliest.
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"Texas and Chicago will be vying for Fielder since he's younger."
I heard yesterday Theo's MO is he avoids long-term deals with free agents over the age of 30. I know Lackey was 31 when he signed with Boston, and Drew was 32, but without going back over each and every one of his transactions I can't say if those two are exceptions.
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I still think Fielder makes more sense in Texas' lineup because he's left-handed. Kinsler, Andrus, Young, Beltre, Cruz and Napoli are all right handed, and I think that made them a bit vulnerable to a pitcher like Dotel who is so good against right-handers.
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I heard yesterday Theo's MO is he avoids long-term deals with free agents over the age of 30. I know Lackey was 31 when he signed with Boston, and Drew was 32, but without going back over each and every one of his transactions I can't say if those two are exceptions.
I think you're right, which is why Fielder fits much better for the Cubs.
But, Texas seems pretty serious about winning a championship. They went out and gave up two good prospects for a middle reliever (Mike Adams), so if they've got the money, I don't see why they don't come away with at least one of Pujols/Fielder.
Fors is right that Boras will be waiting to see what Pujols does. I think Fielder will come out with a bigger contract. Boras will set the floor at $25 million and let the bidding go from there.
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alz wrote:
tkihshbt wrote:
I think it boils down to:
-Texas
-Toronto
-Chicago
-St. Louis
Toronto is the darkest of dark horses. Texas and Chicago will be vying for Fielder since he's younger. I guess that's what it comes down to. Will the loser of the Fielder sweepstakes decide to go all-out for Pujols?I'm really curious whether this will be the Fielder sweepstakes, or whether the loser of the Pujols sweepstakes will go all out for Fielder.
4 years older, but so much more proven.
If I was an AL team I would want Fielder. He would be more willing to move to DH.
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forsberg_us wrote:
I was thinking as I typed the original post, "I wonder which one (Pujols or Fielder) signs first." Historically, Boras has had little problem letting his clients languish in the free agent market until deep into the off-season, sometimes even into spring training. That being the case, it makes sense to think that Pujols may sign first.
Having said that, I don't think this gets resolved quickly. IMO, middle of December at the earliest.
The Cardinals are thinking that it will take till thanksgiving to find a manager. Pujols doesnt sign untill he knows who that is.
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forsberg_us wrote:
I still think Fielder makes more sense in Texas' lineup because he's left-handed. Kinsler, Andrus, Young, Beltre, Cruz and Napoli are all right handed, and I think that made them a bit vulnerable to a pitcher like Dotel who is so good against right-handers.
The team can already hit. Hasnt the team ead the AL in hitting the last several years? They seem to come up with guys from out of nowhere that can hit 20 HRs. I dont see hitting as teir weakness or a issue hat needs tbe address this offseason. Their starting pitching was average and their ace is a free agent. If they are going to dump 30 million dollars into something it needs to be their rotation.
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APRTW wrote:
forsberg_us wrote:
I still think Fielder makes more sense in Texas' lineup because he's left-handed. Kinsler, Andrus, Young, Beltre, Cruz and Napoli are all right handed, and I think that made them a bit vulnerable to a pitcher like Dotel who is so good against right-handers.
The team can already hit. Hasnt the team ead the AL in hitting the last several years? They seem to come up with guys from out of nowhere that can hit 20 HRs. I dont see hitting as teir weakness or a issue hat needs tbe address this offseason. Their starting pitching was average and their ace is a free agent. If they are going to dump 30 million dollars into something it needs to be their rotation.
True, but with Sabbathia re-signing, the biggest name on the market is CJ Wilson.
Health permitting, Texas should take a look at Oswalt.
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forsberg_us wrote:
APRTW wrote:
forsberg_us wrote:
I still think Fielder makes more sense in Texas' lineup because he's left-handed. Kinsler, Andrus, Young, Beltre, Cruz and Napoli are all right handed, and I think that made them a bit vulnerable to a pitcher like Dotel who is so good against right-handers.
The team can already hit. Hasnt the team ead the AL in hitting the last several years? They seem to come up with guys from out of nowhere that can hit 20 HRs. I dont see hitting as teir weakness or a issue hat needs tbe address this offseason. Their starting pitching was average and their ace is a free agent. If they are going to dump 30 million dollars into something it needs to be their rotation.
True, but with Sabbathia re-signing, the biggest name on the market is CJ Wilson.
Health permitting, Texas should take a look at Oswalt.
If I were Texas I would be talking to the whole list of starters efore I targeged another hitter.
Mark Buehrle
Freddy Garcia
Edwin Jackson
Hiroki Kuroda
Javier Vazquez
Roy Oswalt
C.J. Wilson
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FWIW, Richard Justice thinks Roy Oswalt will be a Cardinal.
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Texas' starters aren't that bad. Harrison, Ogando and Holland all had about 30 starts (Ogando only had 29), all had ERAs below 4 and all have darn good stuff. Add Colby Lewis to that, and they've got 4 very good starters. This past spring, they considered moving Feliz out of the closers role and making him a starter which he apparently was in the minors. Also, their top prospect is a 20 year old starter who finished the season at AAA.
Their pitching is in pretty good shape. That said, I would go after a top-of-the-rotation guy like Oswalt, but Vazquez, Jackson or Garcia are probably worse than what they already have.
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Especially Jackson. He'd be terrible in that park.
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tkihshbt wrote:
FWIW, Richard Justice thinks Roy Oswalt will be a Cardinal.
He's not THAT good anymore. Why would we want him?
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I hate to say this, but a smart move--though horribly unsentimental--would be to let Pujols walk, move one of Craig/Berkman/Holliday to 1B, and sign Reyes for SS. Then just think about 2B and LHP. If Furcal can play 2B anything like he can play SS, maybe sign him, and then Punto to back them both up.
Reyes [S]
Furcal [S]
Berkman [S]
Holliday [R]
Craig [R]
Freese [R]
Molina [R]
Jay [L]
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Strauss dishes . . . The news:
1) they're hoping for a 10-day process.
2) six known candidates, fewer than 10 on the list:
former Boston Red Sox manager Terry Francona
longtime Cardinals third base coach Jose Oquendo
Philadelphia Phillies minor-league manager Ryne Sandberg
Memphis manager Chris Maloney
minor-league instructor and former Gold Glove catcher Mike Matheny
Chicago White Sox coach Joe McEwing
3) Tampa Bay Rays manager Joe Maddon, the popular choice among a segment of the organization as well as a large swatch of the fan base, apparently is not in play
4) Pitching coach Dave Duncan . . . indicated earlier this week a need for a comfortable working relationship with the next manager.
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Cashman: Yankees won’t pursue Pujols