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Lots of shit happened in the 60's and the musicians documented it brilliantly.
Even if we assume that's true, I still don't see the "challenge" (your word, not mine). At most, that makes them a scribe in an era filled with a variety of redundant media. The musician did nothing that wasn't being done by television and newspaper reporters worldwide. And let's not lose sight of the fact that the musician engaged in the trade of his/her choosing with ample reward (money, parties, women, drugs, fame, etc...).
Put down the pipe, Dude. The sacrifice of the 40s wasn't limited to soldiers. What about people back home who picked up the slack left by the millions who went to serve? What about the citizens who were forced to ration food, live without a number of basic items because the war machine needed the supplies? Those citizens basically set aside their lives for the good of the country and the cause. The musicians of the 60s performed, partied, got laid and rejected authority and if they happened to write a song about social change it probably made them a relatively decent amount of money.
First off, let's be very clear that no one is saying writing songs like "All You Need is Love", "For What It's Worth", or "Ohio", just to name a few, is equivalent to storming the beaches of France or Iwo Jima. The point is that the accomplishments of one generation really are interpreted as being greater than those of another, even though it is just an opinion.
Next, I think you are very naive about the power art to shape society.
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I believe that the generation that stormed Normandy and Iwo Jima displayed far more guts than the one that made the Walkman a household word, but then again they had a better hand dealt them, if sheer bravery is how you are going to judge a generation. That doesn't seem odd to me to make that opinion.
You mean the hand that lead them to get slaughtered on a beach? Why must you apple and oranges a thread? Fisrt it was the Beatles comaprision to the front office and TLR now music to WWII.
"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet," and yet we keep getting songs and comparisons of roses and women . . . weird, huh? What's that all about?
Beatles and front office?
music of the 60's and heroism of the 40's??
Women and roses???
What the fuck is going on????? Why can't people just say women are women, roses are roses, music is music and heroism is heroism, the 60's are the 60's and the 40's are the 40's, and the Beatles are the Beatles and the front office is the front office?
Why compare Pujols to Ruth or Gehrig? Why say "Garcia is like Valenzuela in the way he dominated his first several major league starts"???? Garcia is Garcia and Valenzuela is Valenzuela.
All of this simile is just comparing apples and oranges.
The comparison itself is to extreme but it is the line of thinking that bugs me. That anything important can come from a type of entertainment. It is like say Chicago Bulls changed the world during their 6 Chap run. It was cool, I enjoyed it but it was just a form of entertainment. It wasnt a political movement, recession, war or anything else that changes the world we actually live in. If anything can be argued it is that the economic gain from type of entertainment might changes a select few lives.
Next, I think you are very naive about the power art to shape society.
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Next, I think you are very naive about the power art to shape society.
Not at all. I think the naive could be shaped by something as meaningless as music. Maybe Seinfeld is the reason for cultures dry, condescending sense of humour. Should we discuss every single episodes and it direct effect on culture?
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"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet," and yet we keep getting songs and comparisons of roses and women . . . weird, huh? What's that all about?
Beatles and front office?
music of the 60's and heroism of the 40's??
Women and roses???
What the fuck is going on????? Why can't people just say women are women, roses are roses, music is music and heroism is heroism, the 60's are the 60's and the 40's are the 40's, and the Beatles are the Beatles and the front office is the front office?
Why compare Pujols to Ruth or Gehrig? Why say "Garcia is like Valenzuela in the way he dominated his first several major league starts"???? Garcia is Garcia and Valenzuela is Valenzuela.
All of this simile is just comparing apples and oranges.
I bet southern white supremacy had something to do with it.
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"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet," and yet we keep getting songs and comparisons of roses and women . . . weird, huh? What's that all about?
Beatles and front office?
music of the 60's and heroism of the 40's??
Women and roses???
What the fuck is going on????? Why can't people just say women are women, roses are roses, music is music and heroism is heroism, the 60's are the 60's and the 40's are the 40's, and the Beatles are the Beatles and the front office is the front office?
Why compare Pujols to Ruth or Gehrig? Why say "Garcia is like Valenzuela in the way he dominated his first several major league starts"???? Garcia is Garcia and Valenzuela is Valenzuela.
All of this simile is just comparing apples and oranges.I bet southern white supremacy had something to do with it.
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"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet," and yet we keep getting songs and comparisons of roses and women . . . weird, huh? What's that all about?
Beatles and front office?
music of the 60's and heroism of the 40's??
Women and roses???
What the fuck is going on????? Why can't people just say women are women, roses are roses, music is music and heroism is heroism, the 60's are the 60's and the 40's are the 40's, and the Beatles are the Beatles and the front office is the front office?
Why compare Pujols to Ruth or Gehrig? Why say "Garcia is like Valenzuela in the way he dominated his first several major league starts"???? Garcia is Garcia and Valenzuela is Valenzuela.
All of this simile is just comparing apples and oranges.I bet southern white supremacy had something to do with it.
In that there is a very ugly anti-intellectual streak that runs through the southern white supremacy culture, you might have hit on something.
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'â€
― Isaac Asimov
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Next, I think you are very naive about the power art to shape society.
Not at all. I think the naive could be shaped by something as meaningless as music.
Who would have ever guessed that it would be so easy to illustrate the fallacy of your argument, and use Southern white supremacists to do the illustrating?
"During the American Civil War, soldiers on both sides of the conflict thought of their wives and girlfriends back home when they heard the song "Lorena." One Confederate officer even attributed the South's defeat to the song. He reasoned that upon hearing the mournful ballad the soldiers grew so homesick that they lost their effectiveness as a fighting force."
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Next, I think you are very naive about the power art to shape society.
Not at all. I think the naive could be shaped by something as meaningless as music.
Was your take limited to music, or does other commercial art strike you as something that could only shape the naive?