Max wrote:

Herein lies some indication of how much money the playoffs generate.  For example, the Cardinals players' pool was $57.3 million!  (shocked)

I wonder how much the owners pool was . . .

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AhkqiIC33tF.Pe12bO_WU9gRvLYF?slug=ap-postseasonshares

And you call yourself an academic.  All it takes is a little simple math.

First, we have to start with the correct number.  The Cardinals' players' share was not $57.3M.  That was the total player pool for all playoff and second place teams.  The Cardinals' share of that was $20.6M.  We'll come back to that proportion in a bit.

The players' pool is 60 percent of the ticket revenues from the first 3 games of each LDS and the first four games of both LDS and the World Series.  If 0.6x = $57.3M, x = $95.5M.  $95.5 - 57.3 = $38.2.  So the owners' share of those games is $38.2M

But, the owners keep all of the ticket revenue from all games beyond the minimum needed to win each series.  This post-season, there were 7 extra LDS games, 4 extra LCS games and 3 extra World Series games--14 extra games total. 

Here's where the math gets a bit inexact since a World Series game is worth more than an LCS game which is worth more than an LDS game, but if we work with the averages, we can get close.  From the numbers above, we know the minimum # of games generated $95.5M for 24 games.  That's roughly $4M per game.  Applying that figure to the 14 extra games, we get an extra $56M in owner revenue from the extra games.  Combined with the $38.2M in revenue from the games where revenue is shared with the players, that's a total of $94.2M in owner playoff revenue.

So how much of that $94.2M goes to the Cardinals.  I have no idea, but let's assume that the Cardinals owners share the total revenue in a similar proportion to what the Cardinals players receive from the player pool.  The Cardinals players received about 36% of the total player pool. 

Assuming the Cardinals owners receive a similar cut, then their take is about $33.9M of the ticket revenue.

Of course, this doesn't factor in things like concessions, parking or any other revenue the team may receive.

artie_fufkin wrote:

- All players who appeared in uniform for a single game at any time will receive a World Series ring.

Not to stir the pot, but what does that mean for Adam Wainright? It doesn't seem right for him not to get a ring, even though I can't justify giving him one, he was under contract with the St. Louis Cardinals for the entire 2011 season, and in the dugout for a lot of games cheering on the club. I would hope and assume that he gets a ring, maybe not a share, but certainly a ring!

Edit: Actually under this logic, Colby Rasmus gets a ring, but not Wainright. That almost seems criminal.

Last edited by alz (11/29/2011 10:54 am)

"Any player who appeared on an active roster at any time in the post-season received a full share."

In lieu of Lou Gehrig's demise, Brandon Dickson is now the luckiest man on the face of the earth.
Since some of these guys take a pay cut to play in the playoffs, post-season shares aren't as controversial as they used to be. Back in the day, a WS share meant the difference between having to sell encyclopedias in the winter. There's a tale about the '86 Red Sox nearly having a fistfight over whether Wes Gardner deserved a quarter-share or a hundred bucks.

AP: I immediately thought about Lance Lynn who did/will receive a full share. That almost certainly came close to doubling his pay.

APRTW wrote:

alz wrote:

AP: I immediately thought about Lance Lynn who did/will receive a full share. That almost certainly came close to doubling his pay.

Yeah and in many cases players with short playing careers can really add to their career earnings by playing on teams that make it to the playoffs.

Not just players.  I don't know what he's making these days, but for his first few years with the Cardinals, Chad was making probably somewhere in the 50-75K range (without benefits).  I know he received a full playoff share each season after 1996.  When they won in 2006, the playoff share was probably more than 4x his pay that season.

forsberg_us wrote:

So the owners' share of those games is $38.2M

A tidy sum for DeWitt and a few friends to share.  It almost might make him want to jettison his theory that staying competitive until September is the secret, or that once you're in playoffs, anyone can win.

forsberg_us wrote:

APRTW wrote:

alz wrote:

AP: I immediately thought about Lance Lynn who did/will receive a full share. That almost certainly came close to doubling his pay.

Yeah and in many cases players with short playing careers can really add to their career earnings by playing on teams that make it to the playoffs.

Not just players.  I don't know what he's making these days, but for his first few years with the Cardinals, Chad was making probably somewhere in the 50-75K range (without benefits).  I know he received a full playoff share each season after 1996.  When they won in 2006, the playoff share was probably more than 4x his pay that season.

Does he know if he still employed.

Max wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Max wrote:

A tidy sum for DeWitt and a few friends to share.  It almost might make him want to jettison his theory that staying competitive until September is the secret, or that once you're in playoffs, anyone can win.

Why do I have the feeling you didn't even read the entire post?

Cuz that's the way you are.  Without looking it began with some diss about me claiming to be an academic, then went through some math using a 40-60 split that I did not know about.

You're a little sensitive these days. The "academic" comment wasn't meant as a diss, any more than your "ignorant slut" comments. Lighten up Frances (that's a line from Stripes).

If you'd go back and read what I wrote, you'd see that the $38.2M that you focused on was only a partial amount of the total owners' pool. Hence my suggestion that you only read part of the original post. Read it again without taking any of it personally. It wasn't intended as an attack at you, I was actually trying to do the math.

"Barry Weinberg and the bullpen catcher were not so lucky."

What happened with Barry? He got busted to assistant trainer this year and now he's out of a job for next year?

"Apparently Moz has a hit list."

Yeesh. The guy wins one World Series and suddenly he's paying back everyone from the bullpen catcher to the kid who called him "four eyes" in the third grade?

forsberg_us wrote:

Apparently Moz has a hit list. Technically, he didn't lose his job, but he was apparently reassigned to a position as roving minor league trainer. I doubt a guy who has been in the big leagues since at least the early 90s isn't going to accept.

I believe the same was said about McCay and the bench coach (I forget his name right now).  They were not fire, just reassigned?

APRTW wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

"Apparently Moz has a hit list."

Yeesh. The guy wins one World Series and suddenly he's paying back everyone from the bullpen catcher to the kid who called him "four eyes" in the third grade?

I think Mo must kind of like TLR gone so he can really run the show now.

Kind of . . . in the way that Smithers runs the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant.