The Patriots' ballwashers in the Boston media are reporting it's a done deal, AP. Moss for a third round pick.
I probably should have posted this at the time, so when I write it now doesn't have as much credibility, but did you see Moss' expression at the end of the game on Monday when they showed the graphic of him having zero receptions? His team is kneeling away the last minute of a 41-14 win in a game most people predicted they would lose and he looks like he just stepped in cow manure.
I'll say the same thing now as I did when the Raiders traded him to the Patriots. Randy Moss will never win a Super Bowl ring.

APRTW wrote:

There are alot of players who dont win super bowls.  I am pumped to see him back in purple.  I dont know how it will work out but I know Favre will take several long shots to him a game.  I look for it to work out fine because all Moss really wants is to be know as the man.  He will be the man on the Vikings out of lack of better WR.  Vikings should resign Chris Carter to babysit him again.  I cant wait till monday night.

It's going to be interesting to see what the response is in New England. It's been five years since the Patriots won a Super Bowl, and some of the true believers are starting to question their faith in Belichick.
This trade makes perfect sense going forward, because the Patriots weren't going to re-sign Moss after this year and his whining about his contract situation had become a distraction.
But losing Moss also clearly makes them weaker than the Jets among the teams in the division, and pretty much takes them out of contention for the Super Bowl this season. The contract Brady signed a couple of weeks ago is probably going to be his last, and he's playing the back nine of his career as an elite quarterback. So the Pats are in the first year of a 3-year window in which they can win a Super Bowl, and they've just thrown one of those years away.

APRTW wrote:

ESPN is reporting this trade as if someone died. 

I think it is a bad trade for the Patriots.  They got a 3rd round draft pick.  How weak is that but then again Moss has never been traded for good players.  I cant see anyone in New England liking this trade.  They didnt gain anything right now and a 3rd round pick isnt much to look forward to.

You're right, but Belichick's reaction to Moss' bizarre catharsis to the media after the first game of the season must have been worse than anyone thought. I figured they'd hold onto him for the rest of the year and then let him walk, but Don Hoodie apparently hates it when anyone lets people outside the family know what they're thinking.

AP, I know you love the guy, but I have absolutely no respect for Moss.  As you said earlier, it's all about him being the man.  Team success is secondary. 

Artie already knows this story, but Moss reminds me of the father of one of the kids on my son's football team.  Our first game of the season, we win 30-0.  Four different kids scored TDs, and five were involved in the touchdowns if you include the QB who threw a TD pass.  After the game, the father of the kid who caught the TD pass sent an e-mail to our head coach complaining that we had "under-utilized" his son (never mind that he plays both offense and defense and probably played about every snap of the game) and if we didn't intend to use him properly, he was going to pull him from the team and sign him up for fall baseball.  Never mind that we won.  Never mind that we kept every kid involved.  It was all about his kid.  I must have missed the memo about the college scouts that were in attendance that day.

I can't stand players/people like that, regardless of how talented they are.

APRTW wrote:

Belickick seems like a guy that you dont cross.  Once you do he will take you down even if it hurts him.  The Patriots do seems to run a tight lipped ship.

The CIA gives out more information about its third world black ops, AP. If you read the Patriots' league-mandated injury report on a regular basis, you've no doubt noticed "Tom Brady: shoulder" cited every week for about the last seven years. Not once has either Belichick or Brady ever said anything about the injury, not even which shoulder it is.
Then there was this hilarious exchange, roughly quoted from memory, one week early last season when Welker missed a game:
Media guy: "What's up with Welker?"
Belichick: "He didn't play."
Media guy: "Does that mean he couldn't play, or he didn't play?"
Belichick: "He didn't play because was unavailable to play."

D'Artie La Fufkin wrote:
"Oh, and supposedly Belichick is so secretive because he feels he got run out of Cleveland by the local media when he benched Bernie Kosar 20 years ago."

That's funny.  I had always assumed the secrecy was because he cheats.

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It's amazing how much blind faith people around here have in Belichick. Say what you want about Randy Moss' personality, but there's no way New England's offense is better now than it was 48 hours ago.

I feel the pats became weaker then they were a few days ago. The 3rd round pick is .... well it is what it is, but it's not even a name yet. It's nobody who went through camp, nobody in the huddle, nobody on the sidelines and nobody in the seat.

.... So either you're making the argument that the Patriots are better off without Moss, or that he was enough of a non-issue that they are content to become better later to lose him now. Neither of those really seem to be the case. I have to think this was a driven movement that came from a conflict within the team of some sorts. Not going to jump on Moss and say he did it, but his past counts badly for him here.

As far as I can tell, the Patriots just became a much easier team to defend. Having your number 1 guy on Welker is a lot better than having him on Moss, and having a number 2 on Welker....

tkihshbt wrote:

The defense I've read is that Belichick coached David Givens, Troy Brown and David Patten to Super Bowl victories, so why not Wes Welker, Brandon Tate and Aaron Hernandez? That'd be fine and dandy if the Patriots' defense could still hold opposing teams to 16 points per game. But this isn't 2004.

Exactly. I think of all the guys they don't have anymore, the one they'd like to have back is Asante Samuel. Even moreso than Seymour.

Will anyone think any less of me if I delete every good thing I have said about Moss.

Moss to Titans ?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AuqpTLpauoxwCBjLS.498uY5nYcB?slug=ap-titans-moss

Tice and Childress make me miss Dennis Green who I never hated.