Aldridge just told Beltran he "must like hitting playoff home runs in this stadium."

artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

"I think Stockton has referred to the Washington Senators five times in the past two days."

Didn't they move to Ottawa?

Wait. The capital of the United States is Ottawa??

Part of the NAFTA treaty. California is now the capital of Mexico.

tkihshbt wrote:

Garcia is getting an MRI on his shoulder. It doesn't sound good.

Not unless it's for his right shoulder.

tkihshbt wrote:

Garcia is getting an MRI on his shoulder. It doesn't sound good.

I didnt figure that shoulder injury was going to cure itself.

According to Strauss, there may be some in the organization questioning whether there really is a shoulder issue or if this is just a convenient excuse.

"Several teammates were incensed to learn that Garcia started such a monumental game if indeed compromised physically. A faction within the organization has remained skeptical about the severity of Garcia's condition despite a June diagnosis that he was suffering from an impingement and strain that required more than two months' rest and rehabilitation."

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/garcia-has-mri-on-shoulder/article_9819a3f3-bbb1-5b19-b6b0-f32c23400d5c.html


Strauss' tweets last night were a bit more pointed

"Garcia to be removed from postseason roster, replaced before Wednesday's Game 3. Several teammates furious over situation."

"Re: Garcia. Teammates irked he would pitch such important game if dubious about shoulder. Others question condition's severity. Developing."

"Will be interesting to see how club plays Jaime situation. If it denies player irritation it'll be difficult to believe anything else said."

Last edited by forsberg_us (10/09/2012 8:49 am)

forsberg_us wrote:

According to Strauss, there may be some in the organization questioning whether there really is a shoulder issue or if this is just a convenient excuse.

"Several teammates were incensed to learn that Garcia started such a monumental game if indeed compromised physically. A faction within the organization has remained skeptical about the severity of Garcia's condition despite a June diagnosis that he was suffering from an impingement and strain that required more than two months' rest and rehabilitation."

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/garcia-has-mri-on-shoulder/article_9819a3f3-bbb1-5b19-b6b0-f32c23400d5c.html


Strauss' tweets last night were a bit more pointed

"Garcia to be removed from postseason roster, replaced before Wednesday's Game 3. Several teammates furious over situation."

"Re: Garcia. Teammates irked he would pitch such important game if dubious about shoulder. Others question condition's severity. Developing."

"Will be interesting to see how club plays Jaime situation. If it denies player irritation it'll be difficult to believe anything else said."

Could be some TLRish abuse of the system.  Garcia has already pitched.  He isnt likely going to get another chance seeing how Lynn has responded.  They could simply be suffling Garcia off the roster in order to add someone else and add Garcia for the next series if it goes that far.  Maybe he isnt hurt at all?

I'm reading the thread start to finish. It's amusing how much Beltran flaming there was at the start of this.

I think that Beltran is awesome. I'll take the season he put up any day of the week. I'm sure he's not perfect, but there are very few players I'd rather have in a batting order. We didn't suffer a major loss other than points on a batting average losing <Jackass> and bringing in Beltran. Anyone that can replace <Douche> and not make me miss him has done great.

Beltran bat has been streaky.  He carried the team early but was basicly MIA after the all star break.  He has produced, no question.

The play he blundered yesterday was as follows.  Nationals pitcher Zimmerman showed bunt and then pulled back and hit a blooper to mid right field.  Beltran played the ball fine and fielded it clean.  At this point I believe there were runners at first and second and the hit should have loaded the bases.  Instead of fielding the ball like he should have and throwing a routine throw to the infield he takes a few steps toward the infield and see the runner at third is going home.  then he has trouble getting the ball cleaning into his throwing hand and never come close to getting the ball to the plate in time.  It had nothing to do with his injuries and everything to do with him being lazy.  It was a blooper.  He had all the time in the world to position himself in order to field the ball and make a throw to the infield.  I usually dont go for the line of "i could have done a better job" line but I really could have.  A little leaguer could have.  The Nationals caught Beltran sleeping in the playoffs in a zero, zero game.  No excuse for that.

"Could be some TLRish abuse of the system."

My first thought was that Garcia would suddenly be diagnosed with the LaRussa Flu. Well, my first thought was the respective performances of Garcia and Lynn renders the former a non-entity for the rest of the series and probably the post-season, but my second thought was they'd try to massage the roster.
As far as him not disclosing an injury is concerned, I think I recall seeing he was 4-1 with an ERA under 3.00 in September. If he was hiding an injury all that time, he ought to join the League of Justice.

Last edited by artie_fufkin (10/09/2012 12:54 pm)

Sounds to me like Garcia is legitimately injured and I really question how annoyed his teammates were by him. I'm not trusting anything that comes from Strauss unless it's actually on the record. Garcia didn't even top 90 mph yesterday, so consider me skeptical of any bullshit that's emerging. If Garcia was indeed overly anxious, it seems weird that his velocity would've dropped. Usually pitchers will overthrow in that situation.

forsberg_us wrote:

Based on his velocity, I think he's legitimately hurt.  But if he experienced discomfort in a side session and took the mound knowing (suspecting) he was less than 100%, I wouldn't be surprised if some of his teammates are less than thrilled.

I can roll with that, but it's a quandary. If he asks out of the game because he says he's sore, then everyone piles on him for being a pussy. So he tried to work through it and now everyone is on him for not speaking up. It was really a no-win situation, unfortunately. He pitched well for the Cardinals since coming back, but I wonder now if it would have been better had he just went under the knife. I know that's the last resort, but given what's happened...

"If Jaime is having shoulder discomfort he should report it to the medical staff so they can at least make a diagnosis."

So they can tell him to rub some dirt on it and get back out there?
I'd be surprised if Garcia's teammates are upset with him for giving it a try. If they are, then their anger is misdirected. They should be upset at the people who advised him a stint on the DL would cure him. There's no cure for a torn rotator cuff. Yes, Fors, that even means that thing Mr. Miyagi does when he rubs his hands together.