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3/15/2013 9:23 am  #1


My head is going to explode

One of the NFL's most notorious rules might no longer be on the books next season.
The league is considering altering the "Tuck Rule," the regulation that helped the Patriots beat the Oakland Raiders in January 2002 en route to New England's first Super Bowl title.
Under the rule that has been in place since 1999, once a quarterback brings his arm forward in a passing motion, if the ball comes loose, it's considered an incomplete forward pass until such time as the ball is tucked away next to the body.
The proposed change would rule would make the loose ball a fumble if the quarterback is in the act of bringing the ball back his body.
The existing rule saved the Patriots in the playoffs a decade ago, as a potential Tom Brady fumble was ruled as an incomplete pass. The drive continued, New England tied the score with a field goal on that possession, then won in overtime.
For the rule to be changed, 24 of the 32 teams must give their approval.
"We went through the calls this year, and on tape, what is happening is, the great majority of these are called fumbles and appropriately called fumbles," Rich McKay, co-chair of the NFL's competition committee, told the New York Times. "Because of the written rule of how the Tuck Rule was written, they go into replay, and they look at it, and under the rule, the tuck had not been completed so it has to be reversed from what is a fumble.
"We just felt like with the officials being more comfortable and being almost assertive that they think they can call it and they understand when a passer lost control of the ball and still trying to throw it versus trying to begin to tuck the ball."

 

3/15/2013 9:39 am  #2


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Lol,  at least it was there when they needed it

 

3/15/2013 1:33 pm  #3


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I also saw that they are considering forbidding RB from lowering their helmet to collide head first with a defender.

 

3/15/2013 2:06 pm  #4


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Max wrote:

I also saw that they are considering forbidding RB from lowering their helmet to collide head first with a defender.

If the NFL does something that stupid they might as well just turn it into a flag football league.

 

3/15/2013 6:56 pm  #5


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Well, it is an infraction for a defender to lead with a helmet, so why should it be any different for a running back trying to avoid being tackled?

 

3/15/2013 8:05 pm  #6


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It's not remotely that simple. I don't know if you ever played football, but when you're teaching a kid football, one of the first things you have to teach them is to run "behind their pads."  It makes the kid more difficult to tackle, but it also helps them avoid injury. When a runner runs behind his pads, he's leaning forward and his head the the most forward part of the body. If you try to teach runners to run straight up, they're going to get killed. 

It's funny that people who don't play, and in many cases never played the game think they know better than the players themselves. There's a reason football is the most popular game in America. Keep changing it and watch how quickly that's no longer the case. 

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3/17/2013 8:47 pm  #7


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Well, I personally don't know if anyone on the NFL rule change committee has ever played football, but that's what they are proposing.  And if you read what they are proposing, it is about "choice", that is, choosing to initiate contact with the crown of the helmet.

“We are going to say that you can’t make that choice ducking your head and delivering a blow, a forcible blow, with the top crown of your helmet.

“We are trying to protect the runner or the tackler from himself in that instance. We are looking for the obvious fouls in this one.”

You should take up your funny observation with the committee that proposed the rule change.  I am just the messenger.

http://bostonglobe.com/sports/2013/03/16/nfl-bosses-consider-rule-changes-league-meetings/8Iu0yaZ4nPfGIIzK263vyH/story.html

 

3/17/2013 9:16 pm  #8


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I don't have a voice with the committee, but I can voice my disproval by not going to games or not watching.  I love the quote that they're protecting the runners from themselves. If a RB doesn't want to get hit, he should choose another career. 

ETA- Emmitt Smith probably has a voice people would listen to. 

“As a running back, it’s almost impossible [to not lower your head],’’ he said.  “The first thing you do is get behind your shoulder pads.  That means you’re leaning forward and the first part of contact that’s going to take place is your head, regardless.

“I disagree with the rule altogether.  It doesn’t make any sense for that position.  It sounds like it’s been made up by people who have never played the game of football.’’

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/03/14/emmitt-smith-criticizes-proposed-helmet-rule/

 

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3/17/2013 10:47 pm  #9


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yeah, I saw that.  I think the league has made clear that if they adopt the rule, it will be designed to disallow the RB from spearing the defender.  

"If a RB doesn't want to get hit, he should choose another career."

Well, it's not about being hit, but rather about spearing the defender.  The same could have been said about a DB 30 years ago.  "If you don't want to duck your head and spear the WR/RB while making a tackle, then you should choose another career."

I am for any rule that makes sports less about intentionally trying to injure someone.  Gladiator games are long gone.  
 

 

3/18/2013 8:25 am  #10


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"I am for any rule that makes sports less about intentionally trying to injure someone.  Gladiator games are long gone."

Really? Then why is it that millions of people pay to watch UFC pay-per-view events and/or boxing matches?

 

3/18/2013 11:51 am  #11


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I am all for saftey as long as it doesnt take away from the game.  I could careless about players getting injuried.  I do care about the long term effects after there career has ended.  Still these guys know what they are getting into.  they could choose not to play the game.  Imo all saftey rule suggestions should be made by the players union.  If the players dont have a problem with their working conditions then why does the league.  That is the purpose of the union.  

 

3/18/2013 1:28 pm  #12


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forsberg_us wrote:

"I am for any rule that makes sports less about intentionally trying to injure someone.  Gladiator games are long gone."

Really? Then why is it that millions of people pay to watch UFC pay-per-view events and/or boxing matches?

That's a good point.  And like Howard Cosell, seeing what boxing did to Muhammed Ali turned me against boxing, as much as I like watching it.

I have no doubt that fights to the death would find customers, but we ban that . . . even for animals.  I think with time we might also place stricter controls, perhaps even ban, any sports that are simply about fighting with the aim to injure your opinion until he/she can longer fight back.

 

3/18/2013 1:31 pm  #13


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APIAD wrote:

If the players dont have a problem with their working conditions then why does the league.  That is the purpose of the union.  

One possible reason could be liability issues.  For example you could say the same things about fans who attend sporitng events, they went by choice . . . even paid money.  If a car crashes on the race track, a wheel comes off, and kills a young girl in the stands, whay of it?  But the race track owners understand they might be liable, so they install lots of safety precautions to prevent that.

 

3/18/2013 1:46 pm  #14


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Max wrote:

APIAD wrote:

If the players dont have a problem with their working conditions then why does the league.  That is the purpose of the union.  

One possible reason could be liability issues.  For example you could say the same things about fans who attend sporitng events, they went by choice . . . even paid money.  If a car crashes on the race track, a wheel comes off, and kills a young girl in the stands, whay of it?  But the race track owners understand they might be liable, so they install lots of safety precautions to prevent that.

Anybody who is stupid enough to expect a chain link fence to protect them from the flying parts of a bomb filled with jet fuel traveling at 200 mph doesn't deserve to win a lawsuit.
 

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3/18/2013 3:17 pm  #15


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And yet the owners erected the fence . . . 

The moral of the story is that it is better to make a symbolic gesture than to do nothing at all:

"Well, we instituted a rule forbidding leading with the helmet.  Any other cranial contact is incidental to the game, and players have to assume some risk.  Heck, even ping pong players can throw out their elbow."

 

3/18/2013 3:39 pm  #16


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Max wrote:

APIAD wrote:

If the players dont have a problem with their working conditions then why does the league.  That is the purpose of the union.  

One possible reason could be liability issues.  For example you could say the same things about fans who attend sporitng events, they went by choice . . . even paid money.  If a car crashes on the race track, a wheel comes off, and kills a young girl in the stands, whay of it?  But the race track owners understand they might be liable, so they install lots of safety precautions to prevent that.

i dont see a relation between fans wanting to safely watch a sportimg event and a player getting paid 100 of thousands of dollars.
 

 

3/18/2013 4:19 pm  #17


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Max wrote:

And yet the owners erected the fence . . . 

The moral of the story is that it is better to make a symbolic gesture than to do nothing at all:

"Well, we instituted a rule forbidding leading with the helmet.  Any other cranial contact is incidental to the game, and players have to assume some risk.  Heck, even ping pong players can throw out their elbow."

Except that as Emmitt Smith and now Matt Forte have pointed out, the NFL would be increasing the risk of injury through implementation of the rule.  A runner who runs standing straight up (the only way to not lead with the head) is exposing his ribs, inner organs and soft tissue to an oncoming freight train in the form of a LB  or safety. 

It's like erecting the fence at the race track but designing them in a way that the fence falls on the fans when contacted.  They aren't preventing injury, they're just changing the damaged body part.

 

3/18/2013 5:50 pm  #18


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Maybe they should go back leather helmets.  Then people wouldnt lead with there head.  

 

3/18/2013 9:52 pm  #19


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"The moral of the story is that it is better to make a symbolic gesture than to do nothing at all:"

I'd rather see them do nothing at all. In fact, I think Nascar ought to sell curbside seats and award bonus points to the drivers who run over the most fans. Tit for tat. The spectators are mostly there to see the drivers crash and die, so why shouldn't the drivers get in on some of the fun?

 

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3/19/2013 8:49 am  #20


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So artie hates nascar and those who like it...lol

 

3/19/2013 9:12 am  #21


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APIAD wrote:

So artie hates nascar and those who like it...lol

I don't hate Nascar. I just don't see the appeal of watching people turning left for three or four hours. You want to see some impressive driving? You should have come with me this morning on my ride to work while I dodged plows, UPS trucks, 18-wheelers, and old ladies in Cadillacs that didn't have to be on the road while it was snowing.
 

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3/19/2013 10:48 am  #22


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artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

So artie hates nascar and those who like it...lol

I don't hate Nascar. I just don't see the appeal of watching people turning left for three or four hours. You want to see some impressive driving? You should have come with me this morning on my ride to work while I dodged plows, UPS trucks, 18-wheelers, and old ladies in Cadillacs that didn't have to be on the road while it was snowing.
 

it is like any other sport and i use the term lightly in relation to nascar.  I used to follow it when it got really popular.  It was been years and years since ive seen a full race.  I dont even tune in for alittle bit anymore.  It bores me.  However there is alot more to it then turning left.  It is like other sports in the sense that u have to get in it to really understand it.  I hate soccer and hockey but i dont get what is really going on half the time.  Alot of people think baseball is boring and i agree. If i am watching two teams i know nothing about it is less interesting.  I enjoy the chess game and if u dont know the roster and the player u dont get into that.  Football is a popular sport because no matter how drunk or lack of attention you pay you can still figure out what is going on.  
 

 

3/19/2013 11:37 am  #23


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"Football is a popular sport because no matter how drunk or lack of attention you pay you can still figure out what is going on."

My wife and my mother-in-law being exceptions. As much as used to try before I gave up, I couldn't get my wife to understand down and distance. She doesn't understand when it's 3rd-and-eight and the running back picks up nine yards why the resulting down is 1st-and-10 and not 1st-and-9. "He should get extra credit for that yard ..."
Like a lot of people in New England who think the first football game ever played was the Tuck Rule game, my mother-in-law has watched every Patriots' game with her hen friends for the past decade and still hasn't picked up one thing about the sport. We had a party for family and friends a few years ago on a Sunday afternoon and the Patriots were playing the Jets on TV. Randy Fucking Moss made a 1-handed catch and was pushed out of bounds at about the Jets' 1-yard line, and my mother-in-law emitted her signature "Aaaayyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeee!! Woo!! Woo!! Woo!!" screech whenever the Patriots do something good. Two seconds later, CBS showed the replay, and she emitted the same screech like Fucking Moss had made the exact same catch on a subsequent play. My buddy, who was drunk at the time, said to her: "Would you please shut up? It's a replay."

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3/19/2013 11:43 am  #24


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"My buddy, who was drunk at the time, said to her: 'Would you please shut up? It's a replay.'"

I hope you brought him another beer.

 

3/19/2013 4:14 pm  #25


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forsberg_us wrote:

"My buddy, who was drunk at the time, said to her: 'Would you please shut up? It's a replay.'"

I hope you brought him another beer.

The only time he had to leave his chair for the rest of the game was when he had to use the bathroom.
 

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