The other thing about that's baffling me is how the Patriots are being commended for doing the right thing by releasing Hernandez two hours after he was arrested. If the Patriots wanted to do the right thing in the first place, they would have taken Hernandez off their draft board four years ago, which other teams did, and which is why they were able to draft him in the fourth round, for which they accepted wide praise for being smarter than everyone else at spotting talent.
Hypocrisy being what it is down in Foxboro, the Patriots got rid of Hernandez because he became more harm than good to them, not because they were trying to make some kind of morality statement. 

forsberg_us wrote:

This just keeps getting better.  Now there are reports that the motive for the killing may be that Lloyd had information about Hernandez's involvement in a 2012 double homicide.

Anyone know where I can get an Aaron Hernandez replica jersey? I'm guessing they're available a steep discount. 

forsberg_us wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

This just keeps getting better.  Now there are reports that the motive for the killing may be that Lloyd had information about Hernandez's involvement in a 2012 double homicide.

Anyone know where I can get an Aaron Hernandez replica jersey? I'm guessing they're available a steep discount. 

Try the Massachusetts Department of Corrections.

Yeah, you laugh, but our prison football team just got a whole, whole lot better.
 

artie_fufkin wrote:

The coach of the prison team says Hernandez will start out as a tight end, but he'll eventually become a wide receiver.

Doh!

Brutal.......
 

artie_fufkin wrote:

"Hernandez buys gas, a pack of Bubblicious gum and rolling papers."
"A worker at rental agency discovered a shell casing under the driver's seat, next to a Bubblicious wrapper."

Circumstantial evidence of course, but can you imagine Hernandez getting sent away because of a gum wrapper?

The other revealing aspect of this timeline is how astonishingly easy it is to track someone. 

And how very stupid hernandez is.  Did he ever plan to get away with this.  I mean trashing his cell phone doesnt get rid of the record.  People knew lyod was with him and he basicly left the body in his back yard.  The motive is that lyod knew hernandez was involved in a double murder.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/reports-aaron-hernandez-now-being-investigated-2012-double-165259897.html
 

"is the text hearsay? I dont think it is. It is a factual record. Not spoken words."

It doesn't matter.  Heresay is any statement, written or spoken, where the person testifying about the statement is someone other than the person who made the statement.  Since Lloyd can't testify that he sent the text, any text from Lloyd is hearsay.

Having said that, there are many exceptions to the hearsay rule.

"I wouldnt know how it wouldnt be let in."

Because in the eyes of the law heresay is inherently unreliable and therefore inadmissible.  Plus, under the Constitution, an accused has the right to cross-examine his accuser.

Let's say Lloyd survived the shooting, but before he was shot, Lloyd sent a text to his sister saying he was with Hernandez and Hernandez had a gun.  Lloyd's sister wouldn't be able to testify that she received the text.  The text would only come into evidence if Lloyd himself testified that he sent it because then Hernandez's attorneys would have the opportunity to cross examine him.

But there are several exceptions to the hearsay rule such as...

"I mean what if he said herandez was about to shot him twice in the chest."  If it can be shown that Lloyd reasonably believed he was about to die, then there is an exception to the hearsay rule for "dying declarations."  The idea, in the eyes of the law, being that a person about to die is going to want the right person to be held responsible (actually, I suspect there are some religious underpinnings to the exception--the idea being that a person about to die wouldn't want to lie before meeting his final judgment).

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/aaron-hernandez-former-patriots-tight-end-odin-lloyd-murder-charges-questions-were-all-asking-062713


check out the bottom pic.  It says "pats fans rally outside courthouse".  It speaks for itself.  I have nothing to add.

 

"pats fans rally outside courthouse".

You've ... got ... to ... be ... friggin' ... kidding ... me.
Although that looks like a half-dozen idiots with nothing better to do, I have read some local news stories with fans quoted as saying the Patriots may have acted too quickly when they released Hernandez. Innocent before proven guilty, you know. I'm sure these same people who are rallying to Hernandez's defense would feel the same sort of empathy for a 23-year-old Hispanic guy accused of executing another human being if he hadn't caught 18 touchdown passes for the Patriots in the last three years. It would have been "Fry the illegal alien and send the ashes back to where he came from." Even if, as Hernandez is, where he came from is Connecticut.

artie_fufkin wrote:

The coach of the prison team says Hernandez will start out as a tight end, but he'll eventually become a wide receiver.

Doh!

That was "In Living Color", season one, Superbowl halftime episode.

The jersey swap is a pretty cool move.  You have to hand it to them on that.  Damage control or not.

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

The jersey swap is a pretty cool move.  You have to hand it to them on that.  Damage control or not.

I don't give them any credit. They're trying to get people to forget he was ever on their team to protect their brand. You don't get to tell people character is important to you when an accused murderer's replica jerseys are still in circulation.
Again, if the Krafts were really about the image they're trying to present, they wouldn't have drafted him in the first place. He fell to the fourth round because other teams had an idea his lack of character would be a problem. But the Patriots picked him and when he started catching touchdown passes touted him as an example of how much smarter they are then everyone else.
 

wow, you really hate the patriots.