Do they have to swing at everything?

This is stating the obvious, but if the Cardinals pitch to Stanton again today, they're making a mistake.

Yeah, they need a 5th starter. I'd rather see more Joe Kelly at this point. 

Last edited by forsberg_us (6/16/2013 1:57 pm)

Did we just lose a series to the worst team in baseball, giving up 25 runs in 3 games?

Max wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Yeah, they need a 5th starter. I'd rather see more Joe Kelly at this point. 

The wild speculations about a major deal have shifted from Tulowitzki to Cliff Lee.  Do you have a preference, Tulo?  Lee?  neither?

Tulowitzki just broke a rib and is out for at least 6 weeks, so that's a non-issue.

Supposedly Philadelphia's GM said he wasn't trading Lee, so that may be a non-issue as well.

forsberg_us wrote:

Max wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Yeah, they need a 5th starter. I'd rather see more Joe Kelly at this point. 

The wild speculations about a major deal have shifted from Tulowitzki to Cliff Lee.  Do you have a preference, Tulo?  Lee?  neither?

Tulowitzki just broke a rib and is out for at least 6 weeks, so that's a non-issue.

Read: his value is low.

forsberg_us wrote:

Supposedly Philadelphia's GM said he wasn't trading Lee, so that may be a non-issue as well.

Read: he is driving Lee's value up.
 

Why do you think his value is low? Even if he's off the DL before the trade deadline, he's the best hitting shortstop in MLB by a country mile. He's having an MVP-caliber season and the Rockies are a half-game out of first place in a weak division.

Tulowitzki's value is anything but low. The Rockies are not trading him.

I've long thought this team needs a dependable innings guy. You all might scoff at this, but Ricky Nolasco strikes me as a pretty good fit for the rotation. Dish out the abuse if you will, but this guy also thought the Mujica deal would work out (of course, I was cursing his name during the postseason).

Just saying, if the Cardinals make a deal for Nolasco, chances are good they turn him into a strong No. 3.

Chris Duncan just asked Dave McKay if locking up a young player is the way baseball is heading. I'm dead serious.

tkihshbt wrote:

Why do you think his value is low? Even if he's off the DL before the trade deadline, he's the best hitting shortstop in MLB by a country mile. He's having an MVP-caliber season and the Rockies are a half-game out of first place in a weak division.

Tulowitzki's value is anything but low. The Rockies are not trading him.

low-high, big-small . . . , these are relative terms.  

His value when injured is low relative to when he is not injured.
 

tkihshbt wrote:

Also, Cliff Lee is 35 and owed $77 million over the next three seasons. Unless the Phillies eat a large amount of his contract, they are getting nothing for him. I'd say his value is pretty low right now, all things considered.

Who knows what kind of deal the Cards would put together for him if they were interested?  The thing is that Moz is in a very good situation.  He does not need to trade, but if he does, he has tons of pieces he can trade and piles of cash to take on added payroll.  We already heard during the offseason the math on how the Cards could afford Tulo.  I imagine the could afford Lee, too.  But whether either would be a good deal, given the size of their contract, is worth contemplating.  I would be at least as concerned about picking up Tulo's contract, as I would with Lee's, especially with Tulo's history of injuries.  Lee, on the other hand, seems to be pitching well this season.  I don't know how to project a pitcher's life span, but many of them remain effective in the 36-40 stretch of life.  
 

forsberg_us wrote:

Watching him beat us yesterday, I had the exact same thought.  And Nolasco shouldn't cost a mint to acquire.

Watching Suppan beat us in a mid-season game resulted in us getting him as an innings eater #3, and it kind of worked for us.  But when you go for a #3, a lot of things can happen: Suppan, Lohse, Westbrook, all come to mind.  So, do Tomko, Wells, etc.