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6/27/2013 12:21 am  #1


As a church going Christian

I gaurantee you I will cease to support the Cardinals if this shit doesn't stop soon.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/st-louis-cardinals-draw-christian-cross-pitcher-mound-173805257.html

 

6/27/2013 7:36 am  #2


Re: As a church going Christian

As a non-church-going Atheist, I couldn't care less what the Cardinals draw on the mound. And the guy claiming it's somehow public property because the Cardinals received tax breaks is delusional.

I assume you're kidding, right?

 

6/27/2013 8:04 am  #3


Re: As a church going Christian

Yeah, this is a non-issue. I'd prefer it if people kept their beliefs to themselves, but then again I'm waiting for someone to aqeduately describe for me the probability of a guy in a red suit making it across the entire globe all in one night in a sleigh pulled by flying reindeer.

 

6/27/2013 11:28 am  #4


Re: As a church going Christian

The idea that they cannot do it is wrong.  The idea that they should not do it is strong.  I was pretty much disgusted by Kurt Warner, I would be really turned off a team that promoted its Christian-ness.

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6/27/2013 12:40 pm  #5


Re: As a church going Christian

Max wrote:

The idea that they cannot do it is wrong.  The idea that they should not do it is strong.  I was pretty much disgusted by Kurt Warner, I would be really turned off a team that promoted its Christian-ness.

Not to pick a scab, but if that sort of behavior turns you off, I don't know how you were a big fan of Pujols. Pujols consistently promoted his Christianity, including pointing to the sky after every hit and attributing pretty much every accomplishment to "God's will."

The current team is very Christian, starting with it's manager.

 

6/27/2013 1:41 pm  #6


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"The current team is very Christian, starting with it's manager."

Ahhhhh, now we're getting there. A groundskeeper drawing crosses in the dirt or a player pointing to the sky after he hits a home run is one thing, but the organization itself seems to be much more cognizant of its Christianity and it feels like there's been increased promotion of the annual "Christian Day" event. Whether MM has a say in that, I don't know. I know Horton is involved, which is annoying to me because I still have this silly notion that people in the media should be reporting the news, not creating it.
Admittedly, I don't know what the scope of the Christian Day event is. If there is a pre-game prayer over the public address system, it would make me feel uncomfortable if I'm in the stands. I'm there to watch a baseball game. If I wanted to go to a church and have a priest who's a  child molester tell me that it's a sin to covet my neighbor's wife, I would have gone to a church.
I suppose it's my right to not buy a ticket to the game that particular day, but I really shouldn't have to make that choice, should I?
 

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6/27/2013 1:53 pm  #7


Re: As a church going Christian

As someone who has attended the Christian Day festivities before, it's really nothing more than a bunch of people sitting around after the game listening to people testify about their faith. I'm not sure how it's done now, but back then it was pretty much non-descript. For some reason I want to say that Mark McGwire spoke, but that doesn't sound right.

I don't know what the DeWitt family is up to with regards to religion, but I think they understand the market and the environment. I would say a huge majority of the people who show up to Christian Family Day are from the outer suburbs, which is deep red politically and overtly religious, the perfect audience for that day.

It's great PR for the Cardinals, and it turns out huge numbers of church groups.

 

6/27/2013 1:59 pm  #8


Re: As a church going Christian

"it's really nothing more than a bunch of people sitting around after the game listening to people testify about their faith"

Then I have no problem with it. I'd be in my car, halfway to a strip joint by then.

 

6/27/2013 2:26 pm  #9


Re: As a church going Christian

"As someone who has attended the Christian Day festivities before, it's really nothing more than a bunch of people sitting around after the game listening to people testify about their faith. I'm not sure how it's done now, but back then it was pretty much non-descript."

Sounds like it's still fairly similar, although this year they are bringing in a "celebrity."

"Join us for "Christian Day at the Ballpark" on Sunday, July 7th at 1:15pm with the Cardinals face the Miami Marlins!

This year's featured speaker is Willie Robertson, CEO of Duck Commander and star of A&E's show Duck Dynasty. Current Cardinals players will also participate in the post-game outreach event."

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/stl/ticketing/group_theme.jsp?loc=christianday

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6/27/2013 2:32 pm  #10


Re: As a church going Christian

Apparently, the "Thou Shall Not Kill" mandate doesn't apply to ducks. And aren't ducks God's creatures, too? Friggin' hypocrites.

 

6/27/2013 2:49 pm  #11


Re: As a church going Christian

Willie's Dad ; Phil, was the starting QB at La. Tech his soph and Jr. years. He passed up his senior year because he wanted to hunt ducks and make duck calls . After Alabama (Kenny Snake Stabler) beat Tech 34 - 0 , Bear Bryant said Robertson had a future in the pros . Bradshaw became the QB the next year , only because Robertson left . I'd say Robertson made the right decision ; course Bradshaw , well we know about him as well ..

 

6/27/2013 3:04 pm  #12


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"Bradshaw , well we know about him as well .."

He was the QB of the team that lost, 24-7, to the Raiders in the 1976 AFC championship game. Not sure if he did anything before or after.

 

6/27/2013 3:51 pm  #13


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Blah blah blah.  We wouldnt even know about this if the dispshit who got his panties in a wad wouldnt have complained.  All he did wasdraw more attention to what he feels is offensive.  In the day and age where it is okay to do anything in the name of individuality i dont think drawing a cross in the dirt is a big deal.  If u dont like it ignore it. 

 

6/27/2013 5:31 pm  #14


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 "All he did wasdraw more attention to what he feels is offensive."

Excellent point. This is before your time, but when "Married With Children" started airing in the mid-'80s, there was a woman from Minnesota who tried to organize a boycott of Fox's advertisers. A couple of them bailed, but what ended up happening was the show's ratings increased by about 1,000 percent, they ended up with even more advertising than they started, and the show ran for about a dozen years. If she had changed the channel and kept her mouth shut, the show probably wouldn't have made it to a second season because almost nobody watched Fox until it got the NFL.
Same deal with the PMRC. As soon as they reached a compromise to put those "Explicit Lyrics" stickers on the product, every heavy metal band included a song with curse words on their next album to ensure it got a sticker.

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6/27/2013 5:52 pm  #15


Re: As a church going Christian

What was the problem with married with children Other then the show sucking?

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6/27/2013 6:23 pm  #16


Re: As a church going Christian

"Married With Children" did not suck, and the problem was that it was considered pretty crude for 1987.

 

6/27/2013 6:41 pm  #17


Re: As a church going Christian

forsberg_us wrote:

Max wrote:

The idea that they cannot do it is wrong.  The idea that they should not do it is strong.  I was pretty much disgusted by Kurt Warner, I would be really turned off a team that promoted its Christian-ness.

Not to pick a scab, but if that sort of behavior turns you off, I don't know how you were a big fan of Pujols. Pujols consistently promoted his Christianity, including pointing to the sky after every hit and attributing pretty much every accomplishment to "God's will."

The current team is very Christian, starting with it's manager.

Pujols was iritating in his Christianity, but he was mostly fairly private.  The issue with the cross on the mound is that many people use that mound.  The guys can decorate their body any old way, and say whatever stupid shit they like.  But to draw religious symbols on things that are common property is wrong, IMO.
 

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6/27/2013 6:48 pm  #18


Re: As a church going Christian

APIAD wrote:

Blah blah blah.  We wouldnt even know about this if the dispshit who got his panties in a wad wouldnt have complained.  All he did wasdraw more attention to what he feels is offensive.  In the day and age where it is okay to do anything in the name of individuality i dont think drawing a cross in the dirt is a big deal.  If u dont like it ignore it. 

I am sort of closer to the ACLU on issues like this.  Symbols are important and telling the minority to ignore them is not the sign of a society that respects its minorities, IMO.
 

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6/27/2013 7:08 pm  #19


Re: As a church going Christian

"Pujols was iritating in his Christianity, but he was mostly fairly private."

It may have seemed that way outside of St. Louis, but in St. Louis he and Didi either owned or mostly owned a Christian radio station and Pujols was very vocal and public in his faith. He was a prominent part of the Christian family days, did interviews for the 700 Club and had a very public appearance at a Glenn Beck rally.

Pujols and Warner shared a lot of similarities. Not that that's a bad thing.

 

6/27/2013 11:56 pm  #20


Re: As a church going Christian

Max wrote:

APIAD wrote:

Blah blah blah.  We wouldnt even know about this if the dispshit who got his panties in a wad wouldnt have complained.  All he did wasdraw more attention to what he feels is offensive.  In the day and age where it is okay to do anything in the name of individuality i dont think drawing a cross in the dirt is a big deal.  If u dont like it ignore it. 

I am sort of closer to the ACLU on issues like this.  Symbols are important and telling the minority to ignore them is not the sign of a society that respects its minorities, IMO.
 

who gives a fuck about respecting the minority.  Last i knew the majority ruled.  I mean if it is wrong to do it because it hurts someones feelings then it is just as wrong to tell others they cant do it.  If u dont have tolorance in todays world then u need to move.  Assholes who make an issue out of everything and draw attention to themself are the problem.  then again i am not suprised you would take the side nobody else would be on.  
 

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6/28/2013 8:33 am  #21


Re: As a church going Christian

tkihshbt wrote:

"Married With Children" did not suck, and the problem was that it was considered pretty crude for 1987.

You got it. I thought the show worsened over the years as it devolved into an over-the-top cartoon. But the first few seasons were really witty and funny, IMO.

 

6/28/2013 8:41 am  #22


Re: As a church going Christian

SITUATION: Someone took a finger and scratched a cross on the backside of a mound with a finger.
CONCLUSION: Society's has a problem with respecting minorities

Okay sorry... but .... HUH?????? How in the world does that equate again?

 

6/28/2013 9:06 am  #23


Re: As a church going Christian

alz wrote:

SITUATION: Someone took a finger and scratched a cross on the backside of a mound with a finger.
CONCLUSION: Society's has a problem with respecting minorities

Okay sorry... but .... HUH?????? How in the world does that equate again?

beacuse likely only the minority has a problem with the cross.  There for the majority is being disrespectfull.  Max is just sticking up for those  poor suppressed souls.  
 

 

6/28/2013 9:10 am  #24


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APIAD wrote:

What was the problem with married with children Other then the show sucking?

I think her primary objection was when they killed Santa Claus.
 

 

6/28/2013 9:19 am  #25


Re: As a church going Christian

tkihshbt wrote:

"Married With Children" did not suck, and the problem was that it was considered pretty crude for 1987.

The first year, year-and-a-half was brilliant, and it was at least watchable until David Garrison left. Not that David Garrison was essential to the show, but his departure coincided with the writers running out of ideas, and after that the show basically became all about how much misery they could heap upon Al Bundy.
 

 

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