forsberg_us wrote:

Webstergrovesalum wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Maybe Web, but in that last sentence alone you posted 3 conditions to this being a smart move: 1) if he stays healthy, 2) if he keeps hitting and 3) if he keeps playing defense.

From what I've read, Tulowitzki was owed about $40M over the next 4 seasons, essentially making this new deal a 6 year, $120M extension.  Assume Tulowitzki does everything expected of him over the next 4 seasons.  How much more than 6/$120M would it take to sign him?

Seems awfully risky.

Perhaps, but I wonder if he could have gotten that kind of money elsewhere?  There are teams begging for a good shortstop & who knows what they might have offered.  Not that I'm encouraging this sort of thing  (nervous)

Understood, but they wouldn't have had to let it reach that point.  Tulo is signed through 2013 with a team option for 2014.  They let him play through 2013, exercise the option and then approach him and offer 6/$120M.  Even if you assume his value has gone up a bit, how much would it realistically go up?  6/$140M??  6/$150M??  I'm not sure anyone outside of Colorado would be willing to pay that kind of money for someone who hasn't played home games outside of Coors, and even if it did, isn't it worth the extra $20-30M to get 3 more seasons to assess the player in whom you're making this kind of investment.

I don't think he will, but what if he posts more seasons like 2008?

If he posts more seasons like that there will be a ton of screaming from the Rockies fans!  I'd be surprised if that happened though because he's a really driven player who's constantly looking to improve.  Then again there's his quad problem that pops up occasionally (errr) I guess we shall see.  He's fun to watch when he's on top of his game (happy)

I really need to figure out a way to see more Cardinal games.  I suppose I may have to subscribe to MLB

APRTW wrote:

Like Fors has said, this seems totally unnecessary.

It sounds like they have agreed to pay him $20 million per year for 6 years, starting 4 years from now.  That doesn't sound like a smart business decision unless the rockies are gambling that salaries are going to go WAY up.  That might have been a smart gamble at the beginning of the last decade, but i'm not so sure about this one.

Looks like Adam Dunn finally made it to a league that can properly utilize his defensive talents

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5875860

Is it just me or does this contract even further underscore the ridiculous nature of the Ryan Howard deal.  Compare their average season

(avg./OBP/Slg/HR/RBI

Dunn- .250/.381/.521/40/98
Howard- .279/.372/.572/47/138

Howard's numbers are definitely better, but are they really $11M/year better?

forsberg_us wrote:

Looks like Adam Dunn finally made it to a league that can properly utilize his defensive talents

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5875860

Is it just me or does this contract even further underscore the ridiculous nature of the Ryan Howard deal.  Compare their average season

(avg./OBP/Slg/HR/RBI

Dunn- .250/.381/.521/40/98
Howard- .279/.372/.572/47/138

Howard's numbers are definitely better, but are they really $11M/year better?

It's not just you.  Age may also be a factor but I don't think it's nearly that important.  It's not like either one of them is going to dislocate a shoulder diving for a line drive and they both are asking a lot more of their legs than any two limbs should have to cope with.

And congratulations on achieving Spiezio.  If you can live up to it, it'll make the family proud and your friends regular car wash clients.

"So here's my thought, did Mozeliak pull the trigger too soon?  What if, instead of going after Holliday, we had kept our powder dry and were now in a serious position to go after Carl Crawford and thought about batting him 2nd?"

Interesting point, Max, and as you say Crawford is an entirely different type of player. The question is whether you want to have a table-setter in front Pujols, or a big bat behind him. Either way, you can't really go wrong with either Crawford or Holliday.
I'm reasonably certain if someone asked Mo, he'd probably say something about the way Holliday flourished here after the acquired him in 2009 being a factor in why they decided to retain him rather than wait a year and take a relative gamble - though a slight one - that Crawford might not be as good a fit in St. Louis.

Last edited by artie_fufkin (12/04/2010 2:15 pm)

tkihshbt wrote:

It would have been a completely different type of move, but I wonder what would have scored more runs on offense

Better hitters at second base, shortstop, third base and catcher.

That's a good example of the difference between choosing between A and B, and choosing between the current situation and the ideal situation.

By the way, I noticed in the Strauss piece a subtle dig by Duncan at the idea that the back-up catcher could be an offensive threat at the expense of defense, something about the pitchers who would be the first to complain.

George Sherrill went to the Braves for 1.2 mill.  That would have been a hell of a deal.  He throws left handed and has closed.  He might be coming off a bad year but would have been worth a roll of the dice.

Angels get Downs for 3/$15.

I hope everyone saw that Kerry Wood is back with the Cubs.

APRTW wrote:

I hope everyone saw that Kerry Wood is back with the Cubs.

Well, I assumed that seismic shift that just shook the NL Central was SOMETHING.

I wonder how Mozeliak plans to respond to THIS?

Last edited by Max (12/17/2010 12:18 pm)

Agree on the Wood deal.  For a little over a million, I wouldn't have minded seeing him in a Cardinal uniform.  Someone with closing experience in case/when Franklin falters.

Chris Capuano to the Mets for 1.5million.  That might not have been a bad deal for the Cardinals. 

Arthur Rhodes got a 4 million dollar deal for the Rangers plus a 2012 4 million option.  WOW!
They also gave Brandon Webb a one year 3 million dollar deal.  That is fair, IMO.

Brad hawpe got a 3 million dollar deal to play first for the Padres.  I like to have seen the Cardinal take a chance on him.  However I find it wierd to pay him 3 million to play first.

Sorry to see Hawpe with the Padres.  He can really hit when he's "on".  How about that deal given to Carlos Gonzales by The Rockies? It's a seven year 80 million dollar deal!  Pending a physical exam of course but wow!  Who would have thought that the Rockies management would spring for sooooo much money for two players? He & Tulo have become good friends & they better live up to the expected potential or the fan base will turn.