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Signing Westbrook was key to ensuring that trading Ludwick didn't look horrible. I thought we got a good deal, $8.25 million per year for 2 years. But now Garland has signed with the Dodgers for 1 year at $5 million. Someone help me see why Westbrook is worth another $3.25 million (probably the price of a decent lefty for the bullpen) and a second year. Otherwise, this makes it look like the Ludwick trade is becoming more expensive, not less.
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I wouldnt call this cheap. There are alot of Westbrookish level pitchers in this year FA class. He is luck to get this deal without even having to test the waters. I wont go as far as to say they grossly overpaid but I am suprised.
My thoughts after the Westbrook singing. I wouldnt go as far as to say I was right just because Garland signed for less. I think Garland is seen by most as less of a pitcher then Westbrook. I do however expect this trend to continue.
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"Garland has signed with the Dodgers for 1 year at $5 million."
Not so fast, Max. That's the base. He gets a $3m bonus if he reaches 190 innings (which he's done every year he's been in the majors) and guarantees his $8m option for 2012. So he'll essentially cost the same as Westbrook.
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artie_fufkin wrote:
"Garland has signed with the Dodgers for 1 year at $5 million."
Not so fast, Max. That's the base. He gets a $3m bonus if he reaches 190 innings (which he's done every year he's been in the majors) and guarantees his $8m option for 2012. So he'll essentially cost the same as Westbrook.
Still that is alot less then Westbrook because the Dodgers are off the hook if Garland gets hurt. Basicly they are guaranted to get there money out of Garland.
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artie_fufkin wrote:
"Garland has signed with the Dodgers for 1 year at $5 million."
Not so fast, Max. That's the base. He gets a $3m bonus if he reaches 190 innings (which he's done every year he's been in the majors) and guarantees his $8m option for 2012. So he'll essentially cost the same as Westbrook.
and what did the dodgers give up to get him?
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Max wrote:
and what did the dodgers give up to get him?
To me this idea that losing Wallace is better because they resinged Holliday or losing Ludwick is better because they resigned Westbrook is really just talk. Holliday and Westbrook were both free agents when they signed and they would have been free agents if the Cardinals never traded for them. The trade stands alone, as does the free agent signing.
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Max wrote:
Signing Westbrook was key to ensuring that trading Ludwick didn't look horrible. I thought we got a good deal, $8.25 million per year for 2 years. But now Garland has signed with the Dodgers for 1 year at $5 million. Someone help me see why Westbrook is worth another $3.25 million (probably the price of a decent lefty for the bullpen) and a second year. Otherwise, this makes it look like the Ludwick trade is becoming more expensive, not less.
I somewhat agree, though like Darth points out, Garland is likely to hit on whatever number he needs to bring his salary on par with Westbrook's.
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Max wrote:
artie_fufkin wrote:
"Garland has signed with the Dodgers for 1 year at $5 million."
Not so fast, Max. That's the base. He gets a $3m bonus if he reaches 190 innings (which he's done every year he's been in the majors) and guarantees his $8m option for 2012. So he'll essentially cost the same as Westbrook.and what did the dodgers give up to get him?
Depends upon whether he's Type A or Type B. If he's Type A, then the people in the Padres' front office ought to be high-fiving each other this morning.
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artie_fufkin wrote:
Max wrote:
artie_fufkin wrote:
"Garland has signed with the Dodgers for 1 year at $5 million."
Not so fast, Max. That's the base. He gets a $3m bonus if he reaches 190 innings (which he's done every year he's been in the majors) and guarantees his $8m option for 2012. So he'll essentially cost the same as Westbrook.and what did the dodgers give up to get him?
Depends upon whether he's Type A or Type B. If he's Type A, then the people in the Padres' front office ought to be high-fiving each other this morning.
i doubt he would be type a, but my understanding is that it wouldn't even apply unless the padres had offered him arbitration. i dunno the situation.
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Max wrote:
artie_fufkin wrote:
Max wrote:
and what did the dodgers give up to get him?Depends upon whether he's Type A or Type B. If he's Type A, then the people in the Padres' front office ought to be high-fiving each other this morning.
i doubt he would be type a, but my understanding is that it wouldn't even apply unless the padres had offered him arbitration. i dunno the situation.
He's a Type B, so the Padres get a sandwich pick.
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Thanks, Artie. Here is more on that story. Apparently the Padres did offer him arbitration. But they did not offer arbitration to Tejada and Eckstein, among others. So I guess we could sign them for the price of the contract, at this point. Unless Moz has something else up his sleeve, they would work pretty well as the back-ups for 3rd, SS, and 2nd that Moz said he is looking for.
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I wonder what kind of offers Chris Young will see. I have always liked him.
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Max wrote:
artie_fufkin wrote:
"Garland has signed with the Dodgers for 1 year at $5 million."
Not so fast, Max. That's the base. He gets a $3m bonus if he reaches 190 innings (which he's done every year he's been in the majors) and guarantees his $8m option for 2012. So he'll essentially cost the same as Westbrook.and what did the dodgers give up to get him?
Actually, the Dodgers traded for Garland in 2009, then chose not to re-sign him, after which Garland signed for less than $5M last season. I would agree with Albert, I think Westbrook may be a bit somewhat more highly regarded than Westbrook.
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We can think about this guy or that guy all we want but in reality the Cardinals are not going to sign another starter.