You're assuming Theriot replaces Schu.  Theriot spent most of his time with the Cubs as a shortstop.  I suspect he's being brought over to replace Ryan.

windwalker wrote:

Max wrote:

it kind of looks like we gave up too much for him, too.

Did they give up something other than Hawksworth?

No

I've always liked Theriot. His skills are limited, but he plays hard and he'll never be a problem in the clubhouse.

forsberg_us wrote:

Artie

Check out Baseball-Reference's "similar batters" for The Riot.  You have to scroll down a little bit

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/theriry01.shtml

I knew it. Tony can put one garden gnome on each end of his driveway. Berkman can be his lawn jockey. I don't know what other purpose he would serve on a NL team that already has a decent first baseman.

forsberg_us wrote:

Artie

Check out Baseball-Reference's "similar batters" for The Riot.  You have to scroll down a little bit

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/theriry01.shtml

Exactly!

We gave up too much because we gave up anything at all.  Can you imagine trying to trade Aaron Miles for someone like Hawksworth?  Hawksworth's ERA last season looked bad because of the need to use him as a starter.  His work in the bullpen is still solid.  We may not need him, but that doesn't mean we need to give him him away for something that could have been obtained for free, or very little.

I still expect them to make a move for Tejada, or someone else who can start at 3B if needed.  So, I see Theriot at 2B more than at SS.

forsberg_us wrote:

Per a friend of mine who is driving home, Mozeliak was just on the radio in St. Louis.  Said Theriot was brought to St. Louis with the plan that he be the starting shortstop on Opening Day 2011.

Also said that the team is seriously considering Berkman for right field.

Can Corby cover 85% of the outfield.

They sure are putting their cards (as in Hoyle) on the table about dumping Brendan Ryan.  Are we going to wind up picking up his salary just to get someone to take him?  Or is this all a big game to cover-up that they hope to unload Schumaker but don't want to appear eager?

If it's the former, it certainly confirms what fors heard about how determined the coaches and LaRussa are to be rid of Ryan.

Berkman in right field makes sense, so long as we sign Manny to be a late inning defensive replacement.

Here's the Mozeliak interview

http://www.101espn.com/post/67875_the_fast_lane_cards_gm_john_mozeliak_says_the_team_looks_at_ryan_theriot_as_their_starting_shorts

APRTW wrote:

I hope this works out,  I like him even if he was a cubbie.  I am not sure why they traded to get him if he was going to get waived.

Because they are in a competition with Kansas City to see who can make the stupidest, most asinine acquisitions?

forsberg_us wrote:

Per a friend of mine who is driving home, Mozeliak was just on the radio in St. Louis.  Said Theriot was brought to St. Louis with the plan that he be the starting shortstop on Opening Day 2011.

Also said that the team is seriously considering Berkman for right field.

Can Corby cover 85% of the outfield.

I need to read these post before offering my opinion.  I figured Theriot was a Miles replacement not a Ryan replacement.  And Berkman is a worst idea.  Worst then all that is  Brian Tallet.  First off who the hell is he and how can you stay in the majors when you allow a HR ever 2 innings you pitch.

forsberg_us wrote:

Max wrote:

Hawksworth's ERA last season looked bad because of the need to use him as a starter.  His work in the bullpen is still solid.

Not really.

Hawksworth's numbers out of the bullpen last season were:

1-4, 4.25 ERA, 1.50 WHIP, .301 BAA with 9 HR allowed in 48.2 IP.

According to the P-D story, Hawksworth was out of options.  If he didn't make the team out of spring training, they'd have to send him through waivers to get him to the minors.  Making the team next year was far from certain.  Franklin, McClellan, Motte and Boggs almost certainly will be there.  That leaves only 1 spot for a right hander.  With Salas, Lynn, Sanchez and maybe Riefer on the way, Hawksworth was expendable.

I didn't say he wasn't expandable, just that we should have been able to get something better for him.  The article even said something about how the Dodgers were not going to offer him a contract, and that the announcement was made moments before announcing signing Uribe.  Could we have had Theriot for nothing at all simply by waiting another hour or two?

I am not sure where you are getting his bullpen numbers, but if you look at the season log on yahoo stats, you can see that he started very well, had a medium May, but still had an ERA of 2.35 until a couple of really bad outings, then got moved to spot starter and then regular starter and his ERA went through the ceiling.  After his stint as a starter, he allowed 8 earned runs in 20.2 IP, for an ERA of about 3.4, which ain't terrible for a long reliever pitching in August and September, especially when you combine it with his 2.35 for the first 7 weeks.  Look at two things, they were using him as a long reliever, instead of a 1 inning setup role, and he no doubt went through some wild oscillations in his daily workouts as injuries took out Lohse and Penny, and I think you could pitch his numbers as a very credible setup man in a town that needs one.  We don;t, but that doesn't mean we should 'trade' him for a guy who was headed toward being released.

forsberg_us wrote:

Per a friend of mine who is driving home, Mozeliak was just on the radio in St. Louis.  Said Theriot was brought to St. Louis with the plan that he be the starting shortstop on Opening Day 2011.

Also said that the team is seriously considering Berkman for right field.

Can Corby cover 85% of the outfield.

I don't get that. I assumed Theriot would be a replacement for the LG.
When was the last time Berkman played the outfield on a regular basis, and how many knee operations ago was it?

forsberg_us wrote:

Here's the Mozeliak interview

http://www.101espn.com/post/67875_the_fast_lane_cards_gm_john_mozeliak_says_the_team_looks_at_ryan_theriot_as_their_starting_shorts

I wonder what it feels like to be interviewed by an ignoramus who just learned that Baton Rouge means "red stick"?