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7/28/2015 9:53 am  #1


While we were sleeping ...

Tulo for Reyes. If there's much truth to Passan's account, the Rockies' owner is a dick.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/inside-the-shocking-trade-of-troy-tulowitzki-125111163.html

 

7/28/2015 11:09 am  #2


Re: While we were sleeping ...

I wish I was sleeping when it happend. 

I sort of get it, it is just a strange deal.  Im not sure why the rockies wanted reyes.

 

7/28/2015 11:33 am  #3


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I shut off the Cubs/Rockies game and went to bed after CarGo homered in the top of the ninth.
I don't get it either. The Rockies shed some salary long-term, and they get Reyes and another batch of pitching prospects that are going to get overwhelmed watching baseballs fly out of that ballpark in Denver. The Jays add a potent bat, but Tulo's health isn't going to improve playing on turf, and it would seem to me they really need pitching.
FWIW, Jon Morosi is reporting the Cards inquired with the Rockies about Tulo.

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7/28/2015 11:51 am  #4


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From what I've read, the Rockies intend to flip Reyes (possibly to the Mets) for additional prospects.  Apparently Colorado just called up its top shortstop prospect from AAA which makes it appear that Reyes' tenure in Colorado is short-lived.

Artie I understand what you're saying about pitchers getting overwhelmed in Colorado, but someone has to pitch there.  It looks to me that Colorado is moving the right direction.  Time has proven that pitchers who rely in breaking stuff (thin Darryl Kile) have no chance in Colorado.  It appears Colorado is determined to load up on power arms and take their chances.  Jeff Hoffman was Toronto's #1 pick last year and reportedly has hit 100 mph this season.  Castro was briefly Toronto's closer and also throws triple digits.  If pitchers can't fool people with movement, maybe they can blow it by hitters.

I think Colorado did pretty well in this trade, particularly if they can flip Reyes.  Though I agree with Artie that it looks like their owner handled it pretty poorly.  I also agree that Toronto's turf might not be the best thing for an injury prone SS.

 

7/28/2015 12:00 pm  #5


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Yes it seems alittle more sensible if they flip reyes.  If the cardinals did make the phone call then im glad they missed out.  I dislike tulo'$ contract alot.  He is signed till 2021.  He is injury prone and likely needs to be a third. 

Idk why the rockies get to use thin air as a reason they lose.   The only point I can see is that pitchers dont get in a grove for road games.  However at home the rockies should have the advantage.

 

7/28/2015 12:51 pm  #6


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"It appears Colorado is determined to load up on power arms and take their chances.  Jeff Hoffman was Toronto's #1 pick last year and reportedly has hit 100 mph this season.  Castro was briefly Toronto's closer and also throws triple digits.  If pitchers can't fool people with movement, maybe they can blow it by hitters.'

Hey, it's a theory. I don't know if you can ever put together a consistently-winning team that plays at that altitude. Sure, you might have another outlier season like 2007, but you're never going to get high-profile free agent pitchers to come to Denver, certainly not with the tombstones of Darryl Kile/Denny Neagle/Mike Hampton in that park, and the pitchers they do have who are under financial control are going to flee as soon as they can. Teams win consistently because of pitching, and the Rockies will never be able to assemble a pitching staff that consistently wins. 

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7/28/2015 1:02 pm  #7


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"Idk why the rockies get to use thin air as a reason they lose."

Firstly, because the ball travels farther, and secondly it's harder to pitch because breaking pitches don't break as much. It's a double-eged sword for pitchers.
There's a reason the Rockies have never finished first in their division. Assuming they don't start winning like crazy this year, they'll have finished last or next-to-last 18 times in 23 years. They've never had a 20-game winner, and they've only once ever had a pitcher with an ERA under 3.00 for a season. You just can't pitch at that altitude.

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7/28/2015 1:13 pm  #8


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APIAD wrote:

Yes it seems alittle more sensible if they flip reyes. If the cardinals did make the phone call then im glad they missed out. I dislike tulo'$ contract alot. He is signed till 2021. He is injury prone and likely needs to be a third.

Idk why the rockies get to use thin air as a reason they lose. The only point I can see is that pitchers dont get in a grove for road games. However at home the rockies should have the advantage.

I wondered at this too AP, but the problem is like Artie said. With the ball not moving, more balls are hit, and those go farther. This is a small advantage to Colorado, because they are used to it, but major league hitters can adapt quickly to hitting speed. It's the movement that messes with them. So you're in a lot of slugfests, and you can lose those with a couple of extra deep fly balls. 

Now you go on the road. Every curveball is suddenly moving 3-5 more inches, and it screws with the Rockies hard. 

End result? 24-27 at home. 18-28 on the road....

 

7/28/2015 3:34 pm  #9


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artie_fufkin wrote:

"Idk why the rockies get to use thin air as a reason they lose."

Firstly, because the ball travels farther, and secondly it's harder to pitch because breaking pitches don't break as much. It's a double-eged sword for pitchers.
There's a reason the Rockies have never finished first in their division. Assuming they don't start winning like crazy this year, they'll have finished last or next-to-last 18 times in 23 years. They've never had a 20-game winner, and they've only once ever had a pitcher with an ERA under 3.00 for a season. You just can't pitch at that altitude.

 

But it isnt like every top of the inning they travel 1000 miles down the mountain so the visiting team can play in more favorable conditions.  I see the point in that it bloats pitchers era and there for hurts there confidence.   Shitty pitchers can have good years with confidence and vise versa.  However it helps there batters.

 

7/28/2015 3:40 pm  #10


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I do understand that playing in two climates have an effect.  Im just not willing to say it is the cause of so many losing seasons

 

7/28/2015 7:15 pm  #11


Re: While we were sleeping ...

Zobrist to the Royals

 

7/28/2015 7:40 pm  #12


Re: While we were sleeping ...

Papelbaum to the Nashnils.

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7/28/2015 7:43 pm  #13


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Associated Press: "The 34-year-old right-hander had said he wouldn't accept a trade unless he would remain a closer, which means the Nationals will likely move Drew Storen into a setup role. Storen is 29 for 31 in save opportunities for the NL East-leading Nationals this season."

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7/29/2015 12:12 pm  #14


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Latos and Morse to the Doggerels for prospects.

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7/29/2015 12:53 pm  #15


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artie_fufkin wrote:

Latos and Morse to the Doggerels for prospects.

Stanton must be thrilled.

 

7/29/2015 9:58 pm  #16


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Phillies nearing a deal to send Hamels to Texas for several minor leaguers.

 

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