"Minorities have a responsibility in this too, but so do officers. Provide the transparency, show the stops, show the details. "

The actions i saw the officer perform were imo (admittedly there may be something come up that changes my mind) within justifiable reason.  There is no reason for me to believe that her action previous to that would have been out of line.  Not to mwntion she is a female and this was a huge dude.  I just cant for the life of me honestly believe this women to have done anything to provoke this. 

This man was a bad dude with a history of fighting the cops and drug use.  As far as minorities responsible i dont want to really get into that.  Id say burning down cvs, looting semi, starting fires, throwing rocks and shooting fireworks at cops or ambusing and killing them isnt a good start to building a better america.  I dont think that is an accurate reflection of the black community.  Unfortunately it is the black community that gets the press.  Just like bad cops get the press, however in the case of this tulsa shooting im not calling her a bad cop having seen no evidence of that. Forgetting to flip a switch doesnt make you a bad person or a bad cop.

alz wrote:

I'm not going to discuss this anymore with you, we've pissed each other off enough. You feel quite passionately about the job that officers face, and how it is humans at the end of these badges and guns, not the robots that modern society needs. I can disagree with your situational assessment, but I don't disagree with that. At the heart of my argument I'd like to see us live in a country where minorities do not fear, hate and distrust the police as a group that is happy to murder them in the streets if given half a chance. I know that the media will do you no favors on this at all. I believe that officers should be as proactive and transparent as possible to fight off a media that seems hell bent in causing a race war. I'm pretty sure you would agree with the heart of that statement as well. That's where we can stop it because the rest of this debate is actually pointless. Like Wilson, Shelby will never wear a badge again when the dust settles. You think I'm wrong, but if she's not fired, she'll resign. The public will not allow her to be a peace officer after this. Her armed presence adds a threat level to any future situation. Her ability to protect and serve is gone by the national issue and the mob of people who saw what happened and said, "What the fuck? A stalled car and you ice him?". There will be a few months to harbor that suspicion, followed with no charges and possibly a deferment to a federal agency who will decide the same thing. She'll be cleared, and 100% unable to be a cop effectively ever again. 

I don't know why I didn't think of this 50 posts ago, would have stopped the argument a lot sooner. I could be wrong, and by some of your posts you certainly think I am on some things But I don't think I'm wrong about where it lands. 
 

It's apparent that neither one of us knows shit...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/tulsa-police-officer-charged-mans-death-203750472.html

On the Matter of the Open Window:

It is clear to the Jury after intensely studying the video, still photos, and testimony that the windows to the SUV driven by Terrance Crutcher that evening were open and that the Jury believes from said evidence that Terrance Crutcher did in fact reach into the window disobeying the instructions of the police officers on location.

On the Matter of the Instant in which Terrance Crutcher was shot:

The Jury concluded that any officer put in that situation at that exact moment and regardless of the skin color, gender or size of the suspect, would have performed the same way, which is in accordance with their law enforcement training.  By all evidence presented, that instant required action, which two officers took simultaneously. That moment, according to the evidence presented, was unfortunate and tragic, but  justifiable due to the actions of the suspect.

On the Matter of the Moments Proceeding the Weapons Discharge:

While Officer Shelby made a justifiable decision at the very moment she pulled the trigger according to her training, when reviewing the moments before she discharged her weapon, the jury  wonders and some believe  that she had other options available to subdue Mr. Crutcher before he reached his car. What is unclear based on the testimony and the evidence presented in that courtroom, was whether her judgement at that time was in accordance to her training as a police officer in the line of duty or whether her training allowed her to holster her service weapon and draw her Taser instead. There was no evidence presented that she was acting outside of her training, or even if her training allowed her flexibility of a decision at that point.  All discussion of what her training requires in that instant, as presented in the trial, favored the Defense's case.

The Jury, without knowledge of the guidelines learned through law enforcement training, believes that a Taser attempt to subdue Mr. Crutcher before he reached his vehicle  could have saved his life and that potential scenario was seemingly an option available to her; however, there was no evidence presented that her extensive training allowed such an option. The Jury could not, beyond a reasonable doubt, conclude that she did anything outside of her duties and training as a police officer in that situation. This was critical to the verdict rendered. Because of this perceived option that she may have had, many on the Jury could never get comfortable with the concept of Betty Shelby being blameless for Mr. Crutcher's death, but  due to the lack of direct or even circumstantial evidence that she was acting outside of her training in the 30 feet prior to Mr. Crutcher reaching the window of that SUV, the Jury was forced by the rule of law to render a not guilty verdict.

On the Matter of Heat of Passion:

The Jury was provided very specific instructions regarding the Heat of Passion aspect of the Manslaughter in the First Degree charge. Key to these instructions was that the intense emotion had to dominate the person's though process at the very instant the act of homicide was committed. Evidence presented led the Jury to believe that Officer Shelby was indeed fearful, increasingly so as the incident escalated. However, the Jury concluded that she did act with in the confines of her training at that very moment when the homicide was committed. The evidence presented did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt anything to the contrary that Training, not fear, dominated in her choice to perform that action at that time she discharged her weapon, which was evidenced at least in part by the fact that two officers simultaneously fired their weapons in response to Mr. Crutcher's actions.

On the Matter of Deliberation:

I am confident this was a strong jury and it was an honor to serve with them. Each took his or her respective civic duty and the oath made to the court very seriously. Each was engaged in the process, taking notes of the extensive and complicated evidence and testimony brought before them. Each honored the instructions given by the Judge throughout the process. The deliberation, though long, was extremely efficient with regard to the ground it covered in reviewing and discussing the evidence. The members of the Jury were collaborative and respectful of each others views as we muddled through a very complicated matter.

In addition to the review of the testimony and evidence presented in court, we also very carefully studied and considered the judges instructions which guided the Jury in how to reach its conclusions under the narrow constraints of the law.

I believe that I speak for the whole of the Jury, when I say that the  general public in these types of cases are unaware of just how specifically the rule of law dictates how a Jury must reach a verdict.  The State, in this case, had the burden to prove guilt to each element of the respective charge, beyond a reasonable doubt. Some elements are extremely specific, which makes it more challenging for the prosecution to cross that barrier of "beyond a reasonable doubt". In this case, after extensive deliberation, we the Jury, in accordance with the instructions provided by the Court and through examination of all evidence presented, could not overcome guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and consequently delivered a "not guilty" verdict.

On the Matter of Terrance Crutcher's History:

Terrance Crutcher had an arrest history and multiple outstanding arrest warrants. Guilt in previous incidents, were not considered as a means to justify Officer Shelby's actions.

Yeah i have not the energy to mindlessly debate...just thought it was interesting.

It's unfortunate, but the situation is settled. I don't like it, but that's what happened. The people of Tulsa will get to live with this case and the results, and hopefully nothing else happens.