Yep had a very good career.  Not even close to HOF worthy.  Somebody had a man crush. 

Speaking of HOF.....idk if bagwell did PED.  I dont remember it reported.  He fits the stereotype.  Pudge was linked by Canseco and more.  If the hardline stance is being broke i wonder what will happen to the other, more deserving guys.

Pudge getting in, imo, build molinas case.

APIAD wrote:

Yep had a very good career.  Not even close to HOF worthy.  Somebody had a man crush. 

Speaking of HOF.....idk if bagwell did PED.  I dont remember it reported.  He fits the stereotype.  Pudge was linked by Canseco and more.  If the hardline stance is being broke i wonder what will happen to the other, more deserving guys.

Pudge getting in, imo, build molinas case.

 
Bagwell has never been implicated, even anecdotally, as a PED user. The argument against him was "Well, he looks like he could have been a user ..."
I read today that both Bonds and Clemens exceeded 50 percent of the vote for the first time and that they will likely get in before their eligibility period expires. If that's the way it's going to be, then you have to also let in McGwire and Sosa and Palmeiro and Canseco and all the other juicers. I don't want to hear a "Clemens and Bonds had Hall of Fame credentials before they did drugs" argument, especially when both of them maintain their bullshit stance of denying they took PEDs.

As for Yadi, we've watched him every day for the past dozen years and we know how valuable he's been, but the geeks who only look at offensive stats will never appreciate him. And those are the guys who are becoming BBWAA voters as the old school print reporters are fading away.

As for the molina to pudge comparison i dont think the two are that far off.  Pudge has 4 more gg the molina but molina has a handful of years to get another one or two.  It is going to be hard to do with posey around.  Im trying to think of catchers in pudges time frame that rivaled him?

Anyway, pudge has a sexier baseball card because of hrs but their ops isnt drastically different.  .798 to .738.  Again if molina can have a few more decent years he can at least hold that level.

Throw out the sexyness of hrs and gg (which are highly offensive based) and weigh in that molina done it without ped and i think we are looking a very similar players.

APIAD wrote:

As for the molina to pudge comparison i dont think the two are that far off. Pudge has 4 more gg the molina but molina has a handful of years to get another one or two. It is going to be hard to do with posey around. Im trying to think of catchers in pudges time frame that rivaled him?

Anyway, pudge has a sexier baseball card because of hrs but their ops isnt drastically different. .798 to .738. Again if molina can have a few more decent years he can at least hold that level.

Throw out the sexyness of hrs and gg (which are highly offensive based) and weigh in that molina done it without ped and i think we are looking a very similar players.

Sad to say, but I think last season was the beginning of the end for Yadi. He wasn't nearly the same player defensively, and while he had a decent year offensively, I question whether he's going to be a 15 HR/70 RBI guy ever again. All those years of catching 130 games are going to catch up to him.

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

As for the molina to pudge comparison i dont think the two are that far off. Pudge has 4 more gg the molina but molina has a handful of years to get another one or two. It is going to be hard to do with posey around. Im trying to think of catchers in pudges time frame that rivaled him?

Anyway, pudge has a sexier baseball card because of hrs but their ops isnt drastically different. .798 to .738. Again if molina can have a few more decent years he can at least hold that level.

Throw out the sexyness of hrs and gg (which are highly offensive based) and weigh in that molina done it without ped and i think we are looking a very similar players.

Sad to say, but I think last season was the beginning of the end for Yadi. He wasn't nearly the same player defensively, and while he had a decent year offensively, I question whether he's going to be a 15 HR/70 RBI guy ever again. All those years of catching 130 games are going to catch up to him.

Sadly you probably correct.  As fans we will suffer through matheny loyalty to the situation.

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

As for the molina to pudge comparison i dont think the two are that far off. Pudge has 4 more gg the molina but molina has a handful of years to get another one or two. It is going to be hard to do with posey around. Im trying to think of catchers in pudges time frame that rivaled him?

Anyway, pudge has a sexier baseball card because of hrs but their ops isnt drastically different. .798 to .738. Again if molina can have a few more decent years he can at least hold that level.

Throw out the sexyness of hrs and gg (which are highly offensive based) and weigh in that molina done it without ped and i think we are looking a very similar players.

Sad to say, but I think last season was the beginning of the end for Yadi. He wasn't nearly the same player defensively, and while he had a decent year offensively, I question whether he's going to be a 15 HR/70 RBI guy ever again. All those years of catching 130 games are going to catch up to him.

Sadly you probably correct. As fans we will suffer through matheny loyalty to the situation.

Hopefully, Matheny will put a little more trust in Fryer than he did in Cruz, who basically became an emergency catcher, the baseball equivalent of Brett Favre's backup. While Fryer isn't an everyday catcher, he proved last year he can give you a game or two a week without sinking the ship.
Then again, we're talking about Matheny. I might as well try to get rich playing the lottery.
 

Not a bad deal for the royals but i dont think he fits into the cardinals plans.  Wish him luck.

Fors posed the question in another thread that there is nobody worth signing.  Thats true and nobody even worth a 4th round draft pick.  Here are some people id be interested in.

Ryan Howard/Chris Carter- in a matt stairs, jason giambi role.  Big bat off the bench and a spot starter.  Im probably over valuing howard and under valuing carter.

Fernando Salas/Carlos Villanueva-minor league deal or an invitation to spring training.  Both would be decent depth in their own right

Chris Coghlan- minor league deal for depth at multipal positions

Angel Pagan- 4th or 5th outfielder

This team needs a dick.  Matheny is dickless.

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

This team needs a dick. Matheny is dickless.

The could exhume Earl Weaver and stick him in the corner of the dugout. Who would know the difference?

Chris carter is considering a contract overseas.  If the Cardinals could grap him for 5mill and put him on the bench would it be worth it?  He would keep bullpens honest id think.  He is strike out prone but a lower threat as well.

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Chris carter is considering a contract overseas. If the Cardinals could grap him for 5mill and put him on the bench would it be worth it? He would keep bullpens honest id think. He is strike out prone but a lower threat as well.

You can't have Carter and Adams on the bench.  Between the 2 of them they barely play 1 position.

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And then there's this:
Poor Corby didn't win a Gold Glove because he has long hair and La Russa hates him.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jeff-gordon/tipsheet-rasmus-still-whining-about-la-russa/article_80c55fb8-5e0a-5d0c-b0e0-171aa39d238e.html

What a bitch.