artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

"If you read the Cardinals website, they don't intend to trade Wong.  Maybe that's just Moz trying to drive up his value, but there was a story there a couple of days ago talking up Wong, in particular his defensive ability and Moz was specifically quote as saying he wasn't shopping Wong to other teams."

Fine. Then stop dicking around with him. Put him at second base and leave him there. No outfield, no trips to the minors to work on his swing. I'm fairly convinced at this point at least part of Wong's issues are because of Matheny's cluelessness. Part of it is Wong's fault because his psyche is so brittle, but a better manager would be able to get more out of him than Matheny has.

The same theory could be said of grichuk. He was a 25/70 player last year and this club treats him like he needs worked out of the plans in 2017. He has room for improvement but if this team isnt going to give him a full season, trade him.

Wong is more fix-able, for a lack of a better word, than Grichuk, at least to me. Grichuk's ceiling is probably around 25/70. His improvement could come from a higher average and fewer strikeouts. Unfortunately, he's not shown he's capable of accomplishing either, except in short bursts. If the club wants to give him 500 at bats in left field this season, that's fine, but he better have learned to lay off that slider in the dirt by the end of it.
 

25/70 isnt bad tho.  There is vaule in that.  Trade him or play him.  I just hope they dont waste the window for either.

Fryer back to the cards.  Major league invite

APIAD wrote:

Fryer back to the cards. Major league invite

It's not a bad idea. Keep the hot prospect in the minors and let him play full-time while they have an experienced backup who can give Yadi more time off than he's been getting. 
I thought the guy they brought up after Pena played his six innings was pretty good defensively, but I guess he doesn't handle the bat as well as they wanted. It's tough to live up to the legacy of Gary Bennett.
 

APIAD wrote:

Fryer back to the cards.  Major league invite

 

I liked Fryer. Thought he fit the backup role well, when he was a Cardinal .

APIAD wrote:

Off season is over

"“There is no doubt that we still have some work to do,” Mozeliak said, “but in terms of making a bolder-type move ... I don’t envision it at this time.”

Translation: We signed a player that makes us marginally better (we hope) than last year and we hope that distracts the fan base from the fact that we are still an 85 win team.

What a cunt.  

 

Isnt there a new phase of BPV going up.  Apartments, shopping complex and other shit?

I agree this is completely unexceptable.  Im holding out hope that this statement made by moz is just position for the trade market because the club doesnt feel strong about any FA options.

Hello, St. Louis PD? I'd like to report a robbery. Brayan Pena made off with $2.5 million of the Cardinals' money.

"Walden ($250 K) (option buy-out)"

So this means all the players in the big trade with the Braves have moved on to other teams, or in Walden's case, are out of baseball. 
Is it possible for both teams to lose a trade?

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

Jose abrue
Jay bruce
Melky cabrera
Zack cozart
Brian dozier
Todd frazier
Cargo
Ian kinsler


There was an article on msn the other day listing 25 players that could be traded. If you consider 1b, 2b and 3b an option several of these players could come into play.

The Rockies' general manager was on MLBN during the winter meetings and he was adamant the team is not only going to keep Cargo this year, they're also going to try to re-sign him. They think the addition of Desmond makes them a contender. I don't think Desmond is the difference-maker they think he is anyway, but in any event he does nothing to address their pitching problems, specifically the lack of a fifth starter and Adam Ottavino as their closer. But pitching isn't an important part of the sport.
 

Cargo, for the price the rockies would likely ask, is the least interesting person on that list.

• Abreu's contract is affordable, but only guaranteed through this year. He has an opt-out clause after 2017 that makes taking him on a little risky, factoring in what the White Sox would probably ask for.
• I'd rather have Piscotty than Bruce at this point, even more so when you factor in the financials.
• Cabrera's baggage is probably too much to take on, especially after all the shit they took for signing Peralta.
• I wouldn't mind Cozart's defense, and he's coming off a pretty good year offensively, but he's a free agent after this year, and then you have to figure out what you're going to do with Diaz.
• Dozier's contract is still team-friendly and he's a big bat. I don't know why the Twins would trade him, but if they did the return they'd expect would be astronomical, probably starting with Reyes, who I wouldn't trade right now for anyone except for that Trout guy in Anaheim and the Bryant kid in Chicago.
• Frazier is a free agent at the end of the year, and like Abreu the return the White Sox would ask is substantial. His batting average and OPS dipped last year away from hitter-friendly GABP, so there's at least a yellow flag there.
• I like Kinsler a lot. Always have. He's relatively cheap and singed through 2018, can still play defense, will steal you a bag and is coming off his best year offensively since 2011. And he's not married to any spot in the batting order. You worry about age - he'll be 35 in June - but he's a guy I'd go after. The only issue is by getting Kinsler, you're finally pulling the chute on Wong (as you would if you get Dozier). Whether that would be a good thing, I can't say.

 

Last edited by artie_fufkin (12/14/2016 10:25 am)

White sox are in fire sale mode.  Idk how picky they will be.  At some point you cant expect a haul for a guy who does you no good to keep on your roster and everyone knows ur selling.  A bidding war is great but a team cant demand one if it isnt there.  If i was in the front office i would extend to far on any of those guys.  And i agree ian is probably the most attractive.  I just hope there is still options

APIAD wrote:

White sox are in fire sale mode. Idk how picky they will be. At some point you cant expect a haul for a guy who does you no good to keep on your roster and everyone knows ur selling. A bidding war is great but a team cant demand one if it isnt there. If i was in the front office i would extend to far on any of those guys. And i agree ian is probably the most attractive. I just hope there is still options

They supposedly got a pretty big haul for Sale, including the Red Sox' two best prospects, and all three pitchers they got from the Nashnils are supposed to have middle to top of the rotation potential.
I think we're going to see a lot of teams go the route the Cubs and the Astros have gone - tank for a few years, build through the draft and dump your older players for prospects.

APIAD wrote:

White sox are in fire sale mode. Idk how picky they will be. At some point you cant expect a haul for a guy who does you no good to keep on your roster and everyone knows ur selling. A bidding war is great but a team cant demand one if it isnt there. If i was in the front office i would extend to far on any of those guys. And i agree ian is probably the most attractive. I just hope there is still options

I'm pretty sure the Cardinals are done for the off-season.  At least nothing of significance.

forsberg_us wrote:

APIAD wrote:

White sox are in fire sale mode. Idk how picky they will be. At some point you cant expect a haul for a guy who does you no good to keep on your roster and everyone knows ur selling. A bidding war is great but a team cant demand one if it isnt there. If i was in the front office i would extend to far on any of those guys. And i agree ian is probably the most attractive. I just hope there is still options

I'm pretty sure the Cardinals are done for the off-season.  At least nothing of significance.

Id have rather they passed on dexter and got the draft pick.  I dont see him as that much of an upgrade without additional moves.