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8/23/2017 8:40 pm  #1


8/23 Loss Dreck

McLaughlin and Edmonds are talking about boxing.

 

8/23/2017 8:44 pm  #2


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Nice of the Reds to show up tonight.

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8/23/2017 8:53 pm  #3


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What the hell was that?

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8/23/2017 9:04 pm  #4


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This has nothing to do with the game, but my dog is very spoiled.

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8/23/2017 9:05 pm  #5


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Rich Hill pitches a no-hitter for nine innings and loses.

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8/23/2017 9:28 pm  #6


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artie_fufkin wrote:

Rich Hill pitches a no-hitter for nine innings and loses.

I honestly don't think WD had heard about, or at least thought about, the Harvey Haddix gem until some producer prompted him.
 

 

8/23/2017 9:53 pm  #7


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Good to see Oh step it up.

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8/23/2017 9:55 pm  #8


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Mags wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

Rich Hill pitches a no-hitter for nine innings and loses.

I honestly don't think WD had heard about, or at least thought about, the Harvey Haddix gem until some producer prompted him.
 

 
Seemed that way, didn't it? It was like he said to himself: "I get to say 'Add Cock' on the air?!?"

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8/23/2017 10:00 pm  #9


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How does a major league umpire miss that call?

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8/23/2017 10:02 pm  #10


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Edmonds uses "super" as a qualifier, like he's a pubescent girl.

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8/23/2017 10:08 pm  #11


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If Edmonds starts one more sentence with: "This is the big leagues ...," I'm going to the mute button.

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8/23/2017 10:18 pm  #12


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artie_fufkin wrote:

Mags wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

Rich Hill pitches a no-hitter for nine innings and loses.

I honestly don't think WD had heard about, or at least thought about, the Harvey Haddix gem until some producer prompted him.
 

 
Seemed that way, didn't it? It was like he said to himself: "I get to say 'Add Cock' on the air?!?"

I have to confess I thought the game had ended on a home run by Adcock.  He was one strong mother.  He and Lou Brock were 2 of the only 3 guys to ever hit a home run to dead center in the polo grounds.  I can't recall the 3d.  And there was someone else who did it in an exhibition game.

Adcock was really a curse for Haddix.  In a Spring game (pre-season, I think) he nailed Haddix with a line drive to his knee.  After that, Haddix had lost a lot of velocity and the Cards gave up on him and traded him.  It turned out he still had some outstanding years ahead of him, including the game that has now been deemed to be a no-hitter.
 

 

8/23/2017 10:22 pm  #13


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It's a shame the manager won't let the guy hitting .300+ with the .400 OBP and speed lead off regularly.

 

8/23/2017 10:26 pm  #14


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forsberg_us wrote:

It's a shame the manager won't let the guy hitting .300+ with the .400 OBP and speed lead off regularly.

Unfortunately, he has to manage more than the batting order.  Otherwise he will have veterans that hate him.
 

 

8/23/2017 10:29 pm  #15


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artie_fufkin wrote:

How does a major league umpire miss that call?

He got in a bad position and guessed.  Given the quality of his calls on the strike zone tonight, I wouldn't be surprised to see him screw up on plays a lot more obvious than that one.

 

8/23/2017 10:35 pm  #16


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Mags wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

It's a shame the manager won't let the guy hitting .300+ with the .400 OBP and speed lead off regularly.

Unfortunately, he has to manage more than the batting order.  Otherwise he will have veterans that hate him.
 

It seems to me that if he had "managed" them from Day 1, the veterans would understand that the manager makes the decisions and the players do as they're told.

 

8/24/2017 7:58 am  #17


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"I have to confess I thought the game had ended on a home run by Adcock."

I recall reading there was some kind of mitigating circumstance where Adcock passed Henry Aaron on the bases, because Aaron had to hold up to see if the ball was going to stay in the park. In the context of the game, it didn't matter because a runner ahead of both of them scored and the Braves won the game.

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8/24/2017 8:06 am  #18


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forsberg_us wrote:

It's a shame the manager won't let the guy hitting .300+ with the .400 OBP and speed lead off regularly.

You're coming dangerously close to offending Matt Carpenter.
 

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8/24/2017 9:42 am  #19


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artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

It's a shame the manager won't let the guy hitting .300+ with the .400 OBP and speed lead off regularly.

You're coming dangerously close to offending Matt Carpenter.
 

I wonder how Larussa would have handled Carpenter's preference/need/demand for batting lead off.

 

8/24/2017 10:01 am  #20


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Hire Chris Carpenter to manage .....

 

8/24/2017 1:12 pm  #21


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forsberg_us wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

It's a shame the manager won't let the guy hitting .300+ with the .400 OBP and speed lead off regularly.

You're coming dangerously close to offending Matt Carpenter.
 

I wonder how Larussa would have handled Carpenter's preference/need/demand for batting lead off.

It's an interesting question. I think I know where you're going with it, but La Russa did give a lot of deference to his "core guys." The difference is Carpenter wouldn't have pulled his spoiled brat routine with La Russa, and it would have been up to him to produce in the spot in the lineup where La Russa put him.
 

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8/24/2017 1:18 pm  #22


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don.rob11 wrote:

Hire Chris Carpenter to manage .....

I think Carpenter would fall into the category of being one of those guys who had so much talent and drive that it would be difficult for him to manage lesser beings, the way Ted Williams got frustrated with guys who weren't capable of hitting more than .250 (he also reportedly refused to interact with his own pitchers, because he still considered pitchers *the enemy*), or the way Magic Johnson failed as a basketball coach.

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8/24/2017 1:37 pm  #23


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artie_fufkin wrote:

don.rob11 wrote:

Hire Chris Carpenter to manage .....

I think Carpenter would fall into the category of being one of those guys who had so much talent and drive that it would be difficult for him to manage lesser beings, the way Ted Williams got frustrated with guys who weren't capable of hitting more than .250 (he also reportedly refused to interact with his own pitchers, because he still considered pitchers *the enemy*), or the way Magic Johnson failed as a basketball coach.

 
You're probably right , but give him a few days before he knocks someone 's teeth out , then Mo could say we better try someone else ....
( and in that fantasy senerio, I would feel all "giddy"" inside ) ...

 

8/24/2017 2:16 pm  #24


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don.rob11 wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

don.rob11 wrote:

Hire Chris Carpenter to manage .....

I think Carpenter would fall into the category of being one of those guys who had so much talent and drive that it would be difficult for him to manage lesser beings, the way Ted Williams got frustrated with guys who weren't capable of hitting more than .250 (he also reportedly refused to interact with his own pitchers, because he still considered pitchers *the enemy*), or the way Magic Johnson failed as a basketball coach.

 
You're probably right , but give him a few days before he knocks someone 's teeth out , then Mo could say we better try someone else ....
( and in that fantasy senerio, I would feel all "giddy"" inside ) ...

There was a kid I grew up with named David Finnegan who was the hardest thrower in my grade. We were always on opposing teams in Little League and Babe Ruth, and we didn't get along very well, but one year when we were both about 15, we ended up on a summer league team together that my dad coached.
Finney was pitching one night and the first three or four innings went fine. Then I think he hit a guy, walked a guy, gave up a cheap single and then someone closed their eyes and swung and hit a grand slam over the fence. I was playing first base, so I joined the conference on the mound when my dad went out just to settle him down. When my dad got there, Finney handed him the ball, said "I don't want to pitch anymore," and walked off the field.
My dad still talks about it to this day, especially the part when I apparently looked like I wanted to tackle Finney as he was walking toward the dugout and beat the crap out of him for being such a sissy.
Finney ended up quitting baseball after our sophomore year.

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8/24/2017 3:14 pm  #25


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artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

You're coming dangerously close to offending Matt Carpenter.
 

I wonder how Larussa would have handled Carpenter's preference/need/demand for batting lead off.

It's an interesting question. I think I know where you're going with it, but La Russa did give a lot of deference to his "core guys." The difference is Carpenter wouldn't have pulled his spoiled brat routine with La Russa, and it would have been up to him to produce in the spot in the lineup where La Russa put him.
 

I really wasn't going anywhere, I just think it's an interesting question.

To your point, Carpenter was a September call-up for Larussa in 2011.  He hadn't been there long enough to earn "core veteran" status  Carpenter got most of his at-bats in 2012 as a back-up at 1B and 3B (Craig and Freese) and batted 2nd most of the time.  They moved him to 2B in 2013 and moved him to lead-off.  Jon Jay was on those teams and batted lead off some for Larussa.  I wonder if Carpenter would have ever led off for a Larussa managed team.  But, back to my original question, I really do wonder how Larussa would handle a player who said he had to bat lead off when his skill set isn't that of a lead off hitter.  You saw how well things worked for Rasmus when he said he was just a "pull hitter."

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