I wonder if they'll make a push to re-sign Lynn or if they'll be content with what they have.

Personally, I'd try to re-sign Lynn.  Let Weaver start next season and figure it out when Reyes is healthy enough to return to the bullpen.

Either way, good move moving on from Leake.

forsberg_us wrote:

I wonder if they'll make a push to re-sign Lynn or if they'll be content with what they have.

Personally, I'd try to re-sign Lynn.  Let Weaver start next season and figure it out when Reyes is healthy enough to return to the bullpen.

Either way, good move moving on from Leake.

You must have hit submit before me.  I agree tho

2nd part of the trade--do they call up Flaherty to take Leake's spot in the rotation?  I don't think Wainwright is close to pitching again.

I think it's far from certain that Lynn even wants to come back.  Maybe it's just frustration, but he doesn't sound happy. 

“If you look at everything that’s happened so far, there’s been no acquisitions (by the Cardinals). There’s been taking away — whether that’s been injuries or trades.

“Whoever’s coming up to make that start, we’re going to need something good from them — testing our depth from within.”

There is a theory that the money the Cardinals have saved on Leake’s contract might be applied to a potential extension for Lynn. But the righthander said, “You can’t say that. There’s been no talks. There’s been zero communication, whatsoever.

“I’m sure whenever the time comes — when the World Series is over and five days after, I’m sure somebody will talk to me. I just don’t know who it is. They’ve had a whole season. Five days isn’t going to matter.

“But I just work here.” 

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinals-ship-leake-and-cash-to-seattle/article_8c351cf8-de29-5282-b862-21beb1433eff.html

Last edited by forsberg_us (8/30/2017 1:23 pm)

forsberg_us wrote:

Being reported the Cardinals sent $17M to Seattle

I think I read somewhere they still owed him $48 million plus what's left of this year. It's a fairly gilded parachute, especially by DeWallet's standards, but he's not going to become a better pitcher over the next three seasons. Moz may get his knuckles rapped, even though he signed Leake in a panic after David Price left him hanging at the altar.
 

So they dumped some of leakes contract.  Say they include piscotty in a trade for stanton.  Dumping thise 2 contracts save the club 60 mill.

It's Flaherty.

APIAD wrote:

September is just a day away. They will be able to do whatever they want after that. I figure the hang up will be not depleting a good memphis team as they make a playoff run

Apparently they have decided not to worry about depleting Memphis.

Right now they have used up all of their options for the 40 man roster.  They can either rely upon Lucas and Mayers to give them the extra arms for the remainder of the season or go ahead and DFA Gilmartin so that they can bring-up Alcantara.  I hope they opt for the lattter.. 
 

Mlb trade rumors say it is indeed flahery

Mags wrote:

As I understand it, bringing Flaherty up in September does not start the clock on his arbitration eligibility.  But I'm not at all sure.

Fors, can you help here?

Any days spent with the big league team count as service time

APIAD wrote:

Fors have you ever represented an mlb player or minor league player?

No, I just did football.

forsberg_us wrote:

Mags,

A player becomes eligible for free agency after 6 years of service. A year of service is 172 days on the MLB roster or DL.

A player typically becomes arbitration eligible after 3 years of service time, but there is a designation called a "Super 2" that allows some player who are just short of 3 years service time to become arbitration eligible. The last Cardinal I remember who was a "Super 2" was Jon Jay. Being a "Super 2" simple means the player becomes arbitration eligible before 3 years, it doesn't affect free agent eligibility.

Say, for example a player has 2 years and 165 days of service time. He might be declared a "Super 2" and become arbitration eligible. 3 years later (assuming all 3 years are in the major leagues), he has 5 years and 165 days of service time. He isn't eligible for free agency, he gets a 4th year of arbitration.

Thats why you get these random call up dates for prospects. The Cubs called up Kris Bryant in mid-April knowing he'd be a Super 2, but retaining essentially a 7th year of control. Often teams don't call up prospects until late May, early June to avoid the Super 2 designation.

In Flaherty's case, his time in St. Louis this September will be service time. If he makes the team next Spring, these 30 days will be meaningless. If you assume he stays in the big leagues thereafter, he becomes arbitration eligible after 2020 and free agent eligible after 2023. If he doesn't make the team next spring, the team will likely avoid bringing him to the majors until at least June or July to make sure he doesn't reach 172 days and perhaps to avoid Super 2 status. It basically gives the team a free year of control.

Excellent.

Many thanks.  I hope I can keep this page bookmarked someway or another.  That's a lot more information than my senile brain can assimilate or remember.  But it's very good stuff to know I'd like to be able to come back to it.

That is consistent with your previous answer but also confirms something I had read or heard to the effect that September call-ups don't matter.  Someone talking loosely.  Obviously they do matter but may ultimately prove to be without significance.