Singles and strikeouts are very offsetting

Motte's fastball is cruising in at a tidy 91-92 mph today.

artie_fufkin wrote:

Motte's fastball is cruising in at a tidy 91-92 mph today.

Ryan franklin 2.0

forsberg_us wrote:

Wainwright 50 pitches and 5 baserunners in 2 innings.

Sounds like he’s in mid-season form.

So, the two biggest question marks in the rotation got roughed up.  When does reality become apparent?

I will say ozuna absolutely launched one yesterday.

forsberg_us wrote:

APIAD wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Wainwright 50 pitches and 5 baserunners in 2 innings.

Sounds like he’s in mid-season form.

So, the two biggest question marks in the rotation got roughed up. When does reality become apparent?

If you're hoping for them to sign one of the remaining free agent pitchers, you might as well stop wasting your time.  They've already said they aren't going to do that.  They'd turn to internal candidates (i.e., Flaherty, Reyes) before they sign one of the free agents.

I think they should be in the market for them, yes.  I dont expect they are or will be.  At some point tho they have to realize they over value their club and system.

APIAD wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

APIAD wrote:

So, the two biggest question marks in the rotation got roughed up. When does reality become apparent?

If you're hoping for them to sign one of the remaining free agent pitchers, you might as well stop wasting your time.  They've already said they aren't going to do that.  They'd turn to internal candidates (i.e., Flaherty, Reyes) before they sign one of the free agents.

I think they should be in the market for them, yes. I dont expect they are or will be. At some point tho they have to realize they over value their club and system.

They've been doing this for more than a decade.  I doubt it stops anytime soon.

To your point, I looked at their draft picks from 2003-2012, using Baseball Reference.com as the source.  These are the Cardinals draft picks who had more than 1,000 MLB at-bats, 50 starts or 100 relief appearances (for any MLB team).  I stopped at 2012 because no one drafted after that point met the criteria

2003
Daric Barton
Brendan Ryan
Anthony Reyes
Jason Motte

2004
None

2005
Colby Rasmus
Mitchell Boggs
Jamie Garcia

2006
Adam Ottavino
Chris Perez
Jon Jay
Allen Craig
David Carpenter
Tommy Pham

2007
Daniel Descalso

2008
Brett Wallace
Lance Lynn
Sam Freeman
Kevin Siegrist

2009
Shelby Miller
Joe Kelly
Matt Carpenter
Trevor Rosenthal
Matt Adams

2010
Tyler Lyons

2011
Kolten Wong
Seth Maness

2012
Michael Wacha
Stephen Piscotty
Kyle Barraclough

Based on that 10-year track record, why should I expect that the current farm system is stocked with future All-Stars?  I hope I'm wrong, but I'm just not convinced.

 

Last edited by forsberg_us (3/03/2018 11:50 am)

The thing is that there are some names on there that at one point had decent trade value. Anthony Reyes was highly regarded. Rasmus had tons of value. Matt Adams after his first season. Piscotty after 2016.

They’ve convinced themselves that anyone they trade will be the next John Smoltz or Jeff Bagwell, but so far all the organization has produced is the next Clayton Mortenson or Brett Wallace.

Appears it’s time to end the Motte experiment.

APIAD wrote:

Mikolas allows 4...good sign

In his defense, Yadi contributed to the damage by making a really bad error that led to their 3-run inning. Bowman looked pretty good and Gregerson looked even better. Motte was hitting 94-95 on the gun, but the book on him has always been his fastball is so straight is has to be in the 98-99 mph range for him to be effective.
I don't know if Adolis Garcia is going to be any good, but from 15 rows away he looks like what a baseball player would look like if you built one out of a kit.
I've always resisted going to spring training because I didn't think I'd enjoy a baseball game if no one cared about winning. My instincts were right. Watching baseball on a 75-degree day in Florida isn't a bad deal no matter what, especially considering the weather in New England this past weekend, but I think I'm going to save my dough for games that count from now on.
 

"The runnin’ Redbirds, who have swiped 13 bases in 11 spring games, pulled off their double steal for their first run in a two-run fifth."


Interesting

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

Mikolas allows 4...good sign

In his defense, Yadi contributed to the damage by making a really bad error that led to their 3-run inning. Bowman looked pretty good and Gregerson looked even better. Motte was hitting 94-95 on the gun, but the book on him has always been his fastball is so straight is has to be in the 98-99 mph range for him to be effective.
I don't know if Adolis Garcia is going to be any good, but from 15 rows away he looks like what a baseball player would look like if you built one out of a kit.
I've always resisted going to spring training because I didn't think I'd enjoy a baseball game if no one cared about winning. My instincts were right. Watching baseball on a 75-degree day in Florida isn't a bad deal no matter what, especially considering the weather in New England this past weekend, but I think I'm going to save my dough for games that count from now on.
 

Consider the source, but Hummel wrote earlier this Spring that Garcia had the highest ceiling of any of the outfield prospects.

Just saw his RBI single. Ball sounded like it exploded. Not sure how I feel about the comparison, but Ankiel (doing the broadcast with McLaughlin) just compared Garcia physically to Alphonso Soriano.