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4/09/2018 10:13 pm  #26


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At this point the goal is a .500 april.

 

4/09/2018 10:16 pm  #27


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Idk if he needed more time in the minors or if it was nerves but holland isnt ready for the regular season.

 

4/09/2018 10:17 pm  #28


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forsberg_us wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

don.rob11 wrote:

Fowler giveth and Fowler taketh away.
My personal opinion : he is a Minor league ball player , playing in the major leagues .
Never been impressed ...

​There was a point early in his career with the Rockies when he ran a lot, but I guess once you've been around long enough, you can just jog whenever you want.
​The clowning around with Rizzo at first base last year bothered me a lot. Then I read the report at the end of last year that indicated he was the last one to arrive to the clubhouse and the first one to leave. That bothered me more. I don't begrudge these guys the salaries they make, but for seven figures to play baseball, I'd act like I cared, not like I was showing up to bus tables at Denny's on a Sunday morning.

 

Couldn’t agree more. The Cardinals need to do what the Cubs did (and are doing) with Heyward and just stop playing him (or limit his playing time). Bring up O’Neal, Bader or Garcia (I realize Bader is up, but I’m talking on a more permanent basis) and play him instead of Fowler. You’re stuck paying him, but you don’t have to play him. They aren’t going to go sign someone for $20M to replace him, but a rookie only costs $500K, and if it improves the lineup, it’s miney well spent. Make Fowler the 4th outfielder.

He has a could of hits but id have a short leash on him in lead off.

Id also swap carp and dejong

 

4/09/2018 10:43 pm  #29


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APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

One day closer to having a new manager.

If only

 
This man played in the majors for a dozen years and he's managed for a half-dozen, and he still makes decisions that make no sense. If he doesn't know it by now, he's never going to. How many times have you seen a pitcher walk FOUR batters in the 10th inning? Horton can grouse all he wants about the Cardinals only scoring one run with the bases loaded and no outs in the 9th, but part of that is because the manager doesn't understand how to use a bullpen, so he has to have eight relief pitchers out there and if one guy in the lineup gets hurt the best they can do for a pinch hitter is Greg Garcia. The Brewers won this game because the manager in their dugout is smarter and understands the game better than the manager in the Cardinals' dugout. Period.

 

4/09/2018 10:48 pm  #30


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Im in a spiraling pessimistic mood toward this team.  I wish i could go back in time and influance the FO to gut this team.  Trade pham high.  Salvage carps value.  Dump folwer.  Sent jose martinez to the highest bidder.  Ditch csrlos martinez and wacha for prospects.  Just rape the roster of any value and start over with young guys.

 

4/10/2018 10:26 am  #31


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They don't have the young guys to start over with.  Other than outfield, and maybe catcher, the system doesn't have position player talent.

I've thought for a long time the lineup was poorly constructed, and nothing about this team convinces me otherwise.  They might as well go ahead and put Carpenter back at leadoff, because he refuses to approach at-bats like an RBI-producer.  He is absolutely the most selfish player I've ever watched.  Move Martinez up to #3, Molina to #5 and DeJong to #6.  Fowler and Wong can bat #7 and #8 (who bats where doesn't  really matter to me).

I realize the small sample size pace stuff is meaningless, so I probably shouldn't even waste the time typing it, but through 10 games the Cardinals have 5 guys with 10 or more strikeouts.  DeJong is on pace to strike out over 240 times.  You can have a lineup with a couple of guys like that, but you can't have an entire lineup of guys like that.  

Ozuna, Molina and maybe Martinez are the only guys on this team who show the willingness to do what is necessary to drive in runs.  That requires occasionally shortening your swing to ensure you make contact, but also occasionally swinging at a less than perfect pitch.  DeJong doesn't do the former, and Carpenter refuses to do the latter.  This team will live and die by the HR, because it's unlikely to put together enough good at bats to produce a long rally of hits.

The bench is an absolute embarrassment.  Munoz was a cute story this spring, but he's clearly over-matched.  I know Moz wants to show off the shiny toy he acquired in the Piscotty trade, but 1 for 9 with 7 strikeouts isn't going to cut it.  And that's the only hit the current bench has produced.  Garcia is 0 for 7, Bader 0 for 3 and Pena hasn't received parole papers allowing him to play yet.

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4/10/2018 12:23 pm  #32


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Id like to see bader get a start or two.  He has looked horrible but i think he needs a few at bats.

 

4/10/2018 1:45 pm  #33


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"Munoz was a cute story this spring, but he's clearly over-matched."

I probably watched portions of about five spring training games, none of which I saw Munoz participate in, but judging from what I've seen from him in the regular season I can't fathom how he warranted a spot on the major league roster. He has a long swing, doesn't appear to recognize pitches well and he flails at pitches outside the strike zone. Defensively, he appears to be no better than average, either in terms of arm strength or range. He fielded Sogard's bunt in the 10th inning that was clearly going to end up in foul territory and nearly threw it into right field, though that's not all on him because the catcher is supposed to let him know if the ball is going foul and Holland was struggling so much to throw strikes at that point he was probably better off taking the out.
My thoughts about Carpenter are well-known and well-documented, and I thought I had become so negative about him I drove TK away from the board.
Martinez is a nice story - guy who finally gets a shot after toiling in the minors for almost a decade, but he's a DH. His footwork around the bag is the Worst capital W for emphasis I've ever seen among major league first basemen, and every time a ball is hit or thrown in his direction, I hold my breath until he catches it.
I'm not as critical of Molina because he's still productive and still better defensively than most of the catchers in the league. The only problem I have with him is they're still going to be paying $20 million in two years with money that will be better spent elsewhere. But that's a front office issue, not a Molina issue.
Pham disappointed me with his comments about starting off last year in the minors. Sure, he ended up having a great year in 2017, but raise your hand if your name isn't Tommy Pham and you saw that coming. And one good year doesn't make you the second coming of Stan Musial. It makes you the second coming of Joe Charboneau.
I worry DeJong will end up being Randal Grichuk v 2.0. Arizona fed him breaking stuff all weekend long and he struck out eight times in 11 at bats, and he looked pretty terrible doing it. He's not good enough defensively to warrant at bats if he's hitting under .250.
Good luck figuring out Wong. He's their best defensive infielder, by a lot, but he'll look terrible at the plate for a week or even two weeks and just when you're ready to write him off he'll remind you why the Cardinals picked him in the first round. His at bat against Hader last night was brilliant.
Bader - and O'Neill for that matter - needs to play every day, and if they're not going to move Pham or Fowler to make room for one or both, then they ought to consider trading them for a corner infielder.
I've been done with Garcia for awhile now. He's not a good enough player to warrant the 300 at bats he got last year. All weekend as I was watching Descalso I thought the only reason one and not the other plays for the Cardinals is $1 million out of a $120 million payroll on a franchise that's probably worth $2 billion. Not that Descalso is the second coming of Mike Schmidt, but he's a much better defensive player and he hit more home runs and drove in more runs last year alone than Garcia has in his entire career.

 

4/10/2018 2:08 pm  #34


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"I probably watched portions of about five spring training games, none of which I saw Munoz participate in, but judging from what I've seen from him in the regular season I can't fathom how he warranted a spot on the major league roster."

It's just my opinion, but I think Moz rushes certain players to the major leagues in an effort to make himself look smarter.

Maybe I'm just suspicious by nature, but look at how quickly Wacha made it to the majors.  Yes, he was fantastic when he got here, but how many guys move that fast? Could it have been because he was the draft pick the Cardinals got from the Angels in the Pujols deal?  Who knows.

Was there really a need to rush to sign Piscotty to a long-term deal?  Was that decision influenced by the fact Piscotty was the other compensation piece from when Pujols signed with Anaheim?  I don't know, but I'm sure Moz wouldn't have minded Piscotty being the face of the offense with that little factoid attached to him.

Then you get Munoz. Did the fact that he was acquired for Piscotty influence their decision?

I also wondered last year if part of the reason Sierra was brought up was to show off a piece they acquired from Latin America.  Maybe I'm overly suspicious, but I really think Moz wants to field a team of "his guys" and win a championship.  I really believe he wants to show the world he's smarter than everyone else.  Then again, maybe it's just those stupid fucking bow ties.

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4/10/2018 2:11 pm  #35


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2 very good post there folks

 

4/10/2018 2:55 pm  #36


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Interesting stuff. I hadn't considered Moz's vanity as part of the equation, but now that you've brought it up it seems as valid as anything I've read.
My recollection of Wacha's ascent was that he was so good there was no point keeping him in the minors anymore because he was just mowing down everyone, just as he did when he got to St. Louis later in the year.
I do agree the trend of signing short-time players to long-term deals is overdone. We get it, Moz. You pay a little more up front and save a lot on the back end, but you'd better be sure the player is the goods before you go there. Piscotty's OPS through his first 10 games in Oakland is .472. Insignificant sample size for sure, and if he goes 4-for-4 tonight his batting average climbs over .250, but it's looking like the last two months of 2015 and the first two months of 2016 was the outlier for him, not the other way around.
They did the same thing with DeJong. Did you see enough of him in 100 games to warrant committing $9 million to him in 2023? If he becomes Carlos Correa, he's a bargain. If he becomes Khalil Greene, not so much.

 

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