artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

For what it's worth, Mags, I think fighting will be phased out of hockey entirely in 5-10 years.  Very few games have fights and I can't remember a hit remotely resembling the Lemieux/Draper hit in recent years.  Like the NFL, the NHL is dealing with concussion litigation which is going to make it difficult for the league to justify legalized bare-knuckle fighting.

The current game places a much greater emphasis on speed and skill and smaller guys actually have a place in the game.  Your friend (who if I remember correctly is a former student) wouldn't have a place in today's NHL

The problem I have with that is you've got idiots like Marchand running around licking people with no consequences.

Who is Marchand?
 

artie_fufkin wrote:

Mags wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

The problem I have with that is you've got idiots like Marchand running around licking people with no consequences.

Who is Marchand?
 

Winger for the Bruins. He's probably got the worst reputation in the league. 

Thanks.
 

Been reading some on the likelihood of a lockout.  I think the odds are pretty good it happens.  There are a few things i agree with from the players side.

I agree the minimum salary needs raised.  Maybe as much as doubled.  I agree that this might make those guys with a year or two left on a more level playing field with pre arbitration players.

I also agree a draft lottery would decrease tanking. 

I disagree with the need to substantially raise the luxury tax. Id side more with creating a floor.   

I also like to add something i have not read about; minor league players need to be compensated better. 

I also dont think looking at a teams payroll is a 100% reflection of what the team is investing.  It doesnt take into account money being spent on these baseball academys and such.  Maybe that isnt a substantial amount, idk.  But if you are arguing that payroll has remained flat i do think the overseas efforts has raised in that time frame. 

Lastly, i think it was jake Arrieta complaining about the pitch clock.  I wonder if he wants to watch me itch my nuts and pace around because i could skip all that.  And if he is worried about the spirt of the game maybe he should watch some old game film.  They got the ball and threw it.

"Lastly, i think it was jake Arrieta complaining about the pitch clock.  I wonder if he wants to watch me itch my nuts and pace around because i could skip all that.  And if he is worried about the spirt of the game maybe he should watch some old game film.  They got the ball and threw it."

The primary problem with the length of games is all the pitching changes, and that's not going to change. In fact, it's going to go the other way. The Brewers asked their starters for 12-15 outs last year, left the rest to the bullpen, and people reacted like Craig Counsell had mapped the human genome. I think it was the A's who used "openers" last year instead of starters. We're going to end up with games that involve six or seven pitchers who are asked to get no more than six outs each.

Last edited by artie_fufkin (2/25/2019 9:52 pm)

forsberg_us wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

"Lastly, i think it was jake Arrieta complaining about the pitch clock.  I wonder if he wants to watch me itch my nuts and pace around because i could skip all that.  And if he is worried about the spirt of the game maybe he should watch some old game film.  They got the ball and threw it."

The primary problem with the length of games is all the pitching changes, and that's not going to change. In fact, it's going to go the other way. The Brewers asked their starters for 12-15 outs last year, left the rest to the bullpen, and people reacted like Craig Counsell had mapped the human genome. I think it was the A's who used "openers" last year instead of starters. We're going to end up with games that involve six or seven pitchers who are asked to get no more than six outs each.

Ryan Yarbrough of Tampa won 16 games last year despite starting only 6.  He was generally the 2nd guy into the game, would pitch 3 or so innings and become the pitcher of record if the Rays had a lead.  He finished tied for 7th in the AL in wins despite averaging fewer than 4 innings per appearance.
 

I agree that you are both right on the money but I also think that it is a sad commentary on human nature that the umps are unable to control batters stepping out of the box and violating the rules in order to break up a pitcher's rhythm.  It reminds me of when I lost interest in Tennis because the officials weren't allowed to control stars like Nastase and McEnroe. 
Incidentally, back in the days when relief pitcher's were used much differently, Elroy Face went something like 16 and 1 as a reliever for the Pirates.  But back then it wasn't so much a matter of coming in in the middle innings as not being saved for a game in which the Pirates were leading.
I had a friend in college who had been the bat boy for the visiting teams in Milwaukee.  He said that Face would usually show up drunk and would go to the bullpen to sleep for 6 innings or so.


 

Last edited by Mags (2/26/2019 3:24 pm)

Length of the game isnt as annoying as the pace of the game if that make sense.  I dont mind a commercial break.  Ill take the dog out, take a piss, get a beer or jerkoff real quick.  However, when the game starts again id like to see it played with a little speed.

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

Length of the game isnt as annoying as the pace of the game if that make sense. I dont mind a commercial break. Ill take the dog out, take a piss, get a beer or jerkoff real quick. However, when the game starts again id like to see it played with a little speed.

A batter stepping in and out of the box has never really bothered me. And if a pitcher is throwing over to first or stepping off to check on a runner, that doesn't bother me. What bothers me is when the pitcher comes 20 feet down from the mound to get the ball back from the catcher, then walks around the mound, picks up the resin bag, dabs his arm and neck, clears the dirt from his spikes on the Hrabosky, and then starts looking around the ballpark between pitches while he's rubbing up the ball. Erik Bedard was the biggest time-waster I've ever seen, followed by Jonathan Papelbon. I always thought Papelbaum was constantly posing for baseball cards whenever he was in a game. 
 

It bothers the shit out of me since it is so often a matter of the batter playing mind games and is often viewed by the pitcher as a challenge.  There was a time when pitchers like Gibson would have put assholes like Herra on the 60 day while his ribs healed if he tried that shit.  But today, the pitchers aren't allowed to police that kind of behavior and the umps either can't or won't. 
I have some sort of built in sensor that causes me to tune out whenever they are actually running commercials.  The problem is that I sometimes stay tuned out for a couple of innings.

Also, it really pisses me off when a batter steps ouf the box to prance around and show his unhappiness with a called strike while the rest of us wait for the game to resume.
 

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artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

Length of the game isnt as annoying as the pace of the game if that make sense. I dont mind a commercial break. Ill take the dog out, take a piss, get a beer or jerkoff real quick. However, when the game starts again id like to see it played with a little speed.

A batter stepping in and out of the box has never really bothered me. And if a pitcher is throwing over to first or stepping off to check on a runner, that doesn't bother me. What bothers me is when the pitcher comes 20 feet down from the mound to get the ball back from the catcher, then walks around the mound, picks up the resin bag, dabs his arm and neck, clears the dirt from his spikes on the Hrabosky, and then starts looking around the ballpark between pitches while he's rubbing up the ball. Erik Bedard was the biggest time-waster I've ever seen, followed by Jonathan Papelbon. I always thought Papelbaum was constantly posing for baseball cards whenever he was in a game. 
 

I dont mind the stepping off or throwing to first.  There is a reason for that.  I do think the batter needs to be in the box and the pitcher on the rubber without delay. 

Maybe i am an oddity but im a early to bed and early to rise type person.  Imo i wish more games had 6pm start times.  This puts the game getting over at 9 or 930 instead of 10 or 1030.  I feel like more people see the start of games and less see the middle and end.  The later are the more interesting parts.  Because of this maybe people are not seeing the most interesting part of the game.  My point is, put the most interesting part of the game in prime time.  Maybe my opinion isnt the majority and i know a 7pm start time is likely about allowing people to get to the ball park.

Cement-head was the slowest cardinal i can remember watching.  I dont blame him tho.  Hard to decide what to throw when you know regardless of your decision it is headed 400ft.

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Looks like the rules on commercial time, mound visits and the trade deadline start this season. The others start in 2020

So what will all this save? Eight to ten minutes per game? People aren't going to come back if you shave a few minutes off the clock. The sport has survived Ty Cobb, two world wars, the Black Sox, Charlie Finley, a work stoppage that resulted in the cancellation of a World Series, George Steinbrenner, John Rocker and Erik Bedard. Please stop trying to turn it into the NBA.

JV wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

So what will all this save? Eight to ten minutes per game? People aren't going to come back if you shave a few minutes off the clock. The sport has survived Ty Cobb, two world wars, the Black Sox, Charlie Finley, a work stoppage that resulted in the cancellation of a World Series, George Steinbrenner, John Rocker and Erik Bedard. Please stop trying to turn it into the NBA.

Amen.

Yeah, tough to argue any of that.

I have a feeling that in 20 years the sport will be unrecognizable.

artie_fufkin wrote:

So what will all this save? Eight to ten minutes per game? People aren't going to come back if you shave a few minutes off the clock. The sport has survived Ty Cobb, two world wars, the Black Sox, Charlie Finley, a work stoppage that resulted in the cancellation of a World Series, George Steinbrenner, John Rocker and Erik Bedard. Please stop trying to turn it into the NBA.

The 3 batter minimum is interesting to me.  Idk if it is interesting in a good or bad way yet.

Sounds like Hudson was absolutely dominant today, and Goldschmidt hit his 1st Cardinals HR.