let's see what jay can do batting second.  i am a bit concerned that his high obp will be shown to be a fluke, and with pitchers focused on getting him out he will strike out a lot.  i hope that concern is unwarranted.

Player SB-CS

Greene 5-0
Theriot 4-0
Pujols 3-0
Craig 3-0
Raz 3-1
Scal 1-0
Punto 1-0
Holliday 0-1
Jay 0-1
Skip Scott 0-1
Laird 0-1 (huh? hope it was on a hit-and-run ...)
Berkman 0-2
Molina 1-2

21-9

BTW, I'd guess Jacoby Ellsbury is a faster white guy than Greene, TK.

artie_fufkin wrote:

Max wrote:

let's see what jay can do batting second.  i am a bit concerned that his high obp will be shown to be a fluke, and with pitchers focused on getting him out he will strike out a lot.  i hope that concern is unwarranted.

Jay batted second last night. He batted eighth on Sunday, most likely because the Reds started a lefty. To me, it makes more sense to bat him leadoff, but if La Russa is only going to give the steal sign to Pujols and Molina, I guess it doesn't really make much of a difference where he puts speed in the lineup.

my perception of jay is that he is one of those rare baseball outfielders who has neither speed nor power--like schumaker.  jay at leadoff, or as #2 works for me if he is batting .300 with an OBP of .400.  it works particularly well at #2 if he is the archetypal hitter in that role: never K's and is willing to bunt.  not sure what his K rate is, but his swing looks like its full of holes, and if pitchers decide they do not want to let him on base in front of pujols-holliday-berkman, then he is likely to see a whole new level of determination to strike him out, as opposed to when he is batting in front of the pitcher.  just a thought.

Craig at second when Garcia is on the mound might be becoming a new trend.

Max wrote:

FYI: without wanting to offend anyone, native americans from america tend to be genetically more white--or even filipino these days--than native american.

Kind of sad that you had to start an otherwise innocent observation with a qualifier. People need to quit being so sensitive.

"the benchmark for inclusion as native american is ridiculously low, something like 1/16."

Really? That would make me Native American. My aunt did one of those geneology searches a few years ago and I guess my great-great grandfather was a Quebecois who got a little frisky with one of the locals one night.
So who do I see for reparations?

forsberg_us wrote:

Max wrote:

FYI: without wanting to offend anyone, native americans from america tend to be genetically more white--or even filipino these days--than native american.

Kind of sad that you had to start an otherwise innocent observation with a qualifier. People need to quit being so sensitive.

Now that Max has advised me I'm Native American, I'm incredibly offended.
Who do I see for reparations?

"my perception of jay is that he is one of those rare baseball outfielders who has neither speed nor power"

He stole 33 bases in two years at Miami, and 20 in his only full season in Memphis in 2009.

Fuck. Nice play by Polanco.

That is typical Tyler Greene. Jesus.

forsberg_us wrote:

Un-fucking-believable

It wouldn't be a Cardinals game without a fielding boner from Theriot or Greene. Where the fuck is Punto anyway?

I'm still stunned. That just can't happen in the major leagues. Ever.