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6/27/2011 9:43 pm  #1


Why ESPN sucks

I can't believe what I just heard. They were talking about the Dodgers on Baseball Tonight a few minutes ago, and Ravech said McCourt "supposedly bid on the Red Sox." There was no "supposedly." He had the high bid. He had land for a new ballpark. Land that HOK called "the best site in the country" at the time.
I understand ESPN has a contract with Major League Baseball. But to lay all the blame on McCourt, as Kruk just did, is just wrong and shows the network doesn't care about integrity. Either that or Kruk is too stupid or too lazy to figure out what Selig is doing. MLB is going to come out of this with control of the Dodgers.
We might be tempted to say "Who cares? I hate the Dodgers. I'm glad they suck. I hope they finish in last place for the next decade." Maybe. And it could happen. But if Selig can do this with the Dodgers - the Dodgers! - he can do this with any team owned by someone he doesn't like. It won't happen with DeWitt, but DeWitt isn't going to own the Cardinals forever.

 

6/30/2011 2:10 pm  #2


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There's so many pieces to this story that I haven't been able to wrap my head around all of it, but seeing how McCourt over-leveraged himself to buy the Dodgers, isn't it good for the Red Sox that he didn't get them?

If you could, please explain that whole situation with the Red Sox ownership again.

 

6/30/2011 2:55 pm  #3


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The Red Sox were bought by Tom Yawkey in 1933, and he owned the team until his death in the '70s. The team then passed on to his wife, Jean, who died in 1992.
The Yawkeys had no heirs, and one of the stipulations of Jean Yawkey's will was that the team would be placed into a trust and would eventually have to be sold within 10 years, with the proceeds going to the very worthwhile Yawkey Foundation (which has essentially financed the most prominent cancer research and treatment facility in the world, but I digress ...).
The Red Sox were put up for sale in 2002. John Henry was the owner of the Florida Marlins at the time, and was thus prevented from owning another team.
This is the point where Selig enters the picture. Selig made arrangements for Jeffrey Loria to turn the Expos over to the league, in exchange for the Marlins, which he would acquire from Henry, freeing up Henry to buy the Red Sox.
The problem was Henry's bid was less than the bid submitted by McCourt and a guy named Joe O'Donnell, who made a fortune in the sports concessions industry. So Selig partnered Henry with Tom Werner and Les Otten, three guys who really didn't know each other, to keep McCourt and O'Donnell from buying the team.
As to your question about it being a good thing McCourt didn't end up with the Red Sox, lest he do to them what he did to the Dodgers, remember McCourt made his money in real estate, primarily with the conversion of parking lots. One of the lots he owned in Boston was one of the last developable parcels on the waterfront (which he eventually put up for collateral in the Dodgers' deal). His intention was to build a brand new ballpark - with parking and access to the highways - that basically would have allowed him to print his own money.
This part is speculation, but I'm guessing Selig allowed McCourt to have the Dodgers as a consolation prize because McCourt could have filed suit about the way the sale of the Red Sox went down.
The Red Sox ended up in good shape (unless of course you're a fan who wants to actually attend a game in that archaic dump of a ballpark), but at the expense of three franchises - the Expos, who were moved to Washington, the Marlins, who are run by baseball's version of the Burgermeister Meisterburger, and the Dodgers.

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6/30/2011 3:05 pm  #4


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So Selig stepped in to do a favor for John Henry? That sounds like a pretty big scam. Did those two have a prior relationship together? I don't get why Selig wanted Henry to have the Red Sox.

 

6/30/2011 3:21 pm  #5


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The "scam" was so big, as this article points, out that the Massachusetts' AG's office was involved as one point.

http://roadsidephotos.sabr.org/baseball/bb02-1.htm

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6/30/2011 3:23 pm  #6


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BTW, for the purposes of that story, McCourt was part of the O'Donnell group, primarily because he owned the land for the new ballpark.

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6/30/2011 3:56 pm  #7


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I dont understand how the MLB can keep someone from being an owner if they have the highest bid.  How can the force the old owner to take a offer the yields him less profit.

 

6/30/2011 4:43 pm  #8


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tkihshbt wrote:

So Selig stepped in to do a favor for John Henry? That sounds like a pretty big scam. Did those two have a prior relationship together? I don't get why Selig wanted Henry to have the Red Sox.

It probably has more to do with Selig not wanting the Dolan group. This is pure speculation, but I'm guessing the owners had the possibilities of cable television revenue in mind long before 2002, and maybe they thought bringing Dolan on board was going to complicate things. Henry and Werner were known entities. Henry made his dough off stock speculation or something. Werner is a TV guy, but on the artsy-fartsy side, not on the nuts and bolts side. Dolan might have gone and done something crazy like try to compete with MLB Network.

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6/30/2011 4:55 pm  #9


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APRTW wrote:

I dont understand how the MLB can keep someone from being an owner if they have the highest bid.  How can the force the old owner to take a offer the yields him less profit.

It outside of my area of specialty, but I suspect the authority is included in the franchise agreement.  MLB has the power to grant a franchise to whom it chooses and those franchises sign an agreement with the franchisor (in this case MLB).  The franchise agreement leaves considerable powers with the franchisor.

I know you're not a Rams fan, but you may remember recently that the NFL had to approve of Stan Kronke taking ownership of the Rams.  Per their franchise agreement, the other owners vote, but you can bet that they mostly defer to what they are told by the commissioner.  Also, you may remember that in order to be compliant with NFL rules, Kronke had to transfer ownership of the Nuggets (NBA) and Avelanche (NHL) to either his wife or kid because the NFL franchise rules wouldn't let him be the principle owner of those teams.

Another example is the fast food industry.  Most fast food places are owned by independent operators, but they are very much regulated by the parent franchise.

 

6/30/2011 4:56 pm  #10


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APRTW wrote:

I dont understand how the MLB can keep someone from being an owner if they have the highest bid.  How can the force the old owner to take a offer the yields him less profit.

Yawkey's will bound the trustees to accept the highest bid, AP. MLB was in a very disadvantageous situation. A lunatic like Mark Cuban could have swooped in and offered $2 billion and there's not a lot Selig could have done. Or Steve Wynn could have come in with the high bid and built a casino on top of the Green Monster, or worse, moved the team to Las Vegas. MLB couldn't let that happen.

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6/30/2011 5:07 pm  #11


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"Another example is the fast food industry.  Most fast food places are owned by independent operators, but they are very much regulated by the parent franchise."

Good point. Do you remember the Burger King franchisees sued BK corporate over the $1 double cheeseburger deal? The idea was to lure people into the restaurant to buy french fries and sodas and apple pies to go with the burger, but it didn't work out that way and the franchisees were getting killed.
Can you imagine Selig mandating Nickel Beer Night on the owners and then proclaiming "Hey, we sold out every seat in every ballpark!!"

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6/30/2011 5:25 pm  #12


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Right now my buddy Greg (from fantasy football) has a case against Hardees.  Pursuant to the franchise agreement, our client was prohibited from selling or leasing his property to another restaurant for a period of two years in the event he closed his Hardee's.  Our guy wasn't making money and told Hardee's that he wasn't going to be able to pay royalties.  Hardee's terminated the franchise agreement.  Our guy tried to sell his property to someone else, but Hardee's came in and filed for an injunction to prevent him from selling his land, even though they terminated the franchise agreement.

So basically our guy is stuck with land he can't sell or lease because the building on the property is set up to suit a restaurant and not much else.  Our side filed a counterclaim for damages related to the sale that fell through.

 

6/30/2011 5:31 pm  #13


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I think every one of us ought to wake up every morning and give thanks we're not in food service. No one makes money, except for visionaries like Cowboy.

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7/01/2011 1:34 pm  #14


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forsberg_us wrote:

Right now my buddy Greg (from fantasy football) has a case against Hardees.  Pursuant to the franchise agreement, our client was prohibited from selling or leasing his property to another restaurant for a period of two years in the event he closed his Hardee's.  Our guy wasn't making money and told Hardee's that he wasn't going to be able to pay royalties.  Hardee's terminated the franchise agreement.  Our guy tried to sell his property to someone else, but Hardee's came in and filed for an injunction to prevent him from selling his land, even though they terminated the franchise agreement.

So basically our guy is stuck with land he can't sell or lease because the building on the property is set up to suit a restaurant and not much else.  Our side filed a counterclaim for damages related to the sale that fell through.

Leave the building and fixtures in place and open "Hardy's Crack House and Welfare Hangout" and see how that goes for the two year period.

 

7/01/2011 1:36 pm  #15


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APRTW wrote:

I dont understand how the MLB can keep someone from being an owner if they have the highest bid.  How can the force the old owner to take a offer the yields him less profit.

My dim recollection is that MLB has a sweetheart deal like few others.  I seem to remember something about it requiring an act of congress to get MLB to do, or not do, something or other. Maybe someone can jar my memory.

 

7/01/2011 1:38 pm  #16


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artie_fufkin wrote:

The Red Sox were bought by Tom Yawkey in 1933, and he owned the team until his death in the '70s. . . . .The Red Sox ended up in good shape (unless of course you're a fan who wants to actually attend a game in that archaic dump of a ballpark), but at the expense of three franchises - the Expos, who were moved to Washington, the Marlins, who are run by baseball's version of the Burgermeister Meisterburger, and the Dodgers.

A great story, Artie: the very big corporation screwing over the poor millionaires who own the teams.  This has "Max's next crusade" written all over it.

 

7/01/2011 3:02 pm  #17


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Max wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Right now my buddy Greg (from fantasy football) has a case against Hardees.  Pursuant to the franchise agreement, our client was prohibited from selling or leasing his property to another restaurant for a period of two years in the event he closed his Hardee's.  Our guy wasn't making money and told Hardee's that he wasn't going to be able to pay royalties.  Hardee's terminated the franchise agreement.  Our guy tried to sell his property to someone else, but Hardee's came in and filed for an injunction to prevent him from selling his land, even though they terminated the franchise agreement.

So basically our guy is stuck with land he can't sell or lease because the building on the property is set up to suit a restaurant and not much else.  Our side filed a counterclaim for damages related to the sale that fell through.

Leave the building and fixtures in place and open "Hardy's Crack House and Welfare Hangout" and see how that goes for the two year period.

Rec, except crack is illegal. Depending upon local zoning regulations, a large neon sign proclaiming "Hardee's 24-Hour Titty Emporium" may have First Amendment protection, however.

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7/01/2011 3:49 pm  #18


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artie_fufkin wrote:

Max wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Right now my buddy Greg (from fantasy football) has a case against Hardees.  Pursuant to the franchise agreement, our client was prohibited from selling or leasing his property to another restaurant for a period of two years in the event he closed his Hardee's.  Our guy wasn't making money and told Hardee's that he wasn't going to be able to pay royalties.  Hardee's terminated the franchise agreement.  Our guy tried to sell his property to someone else, but Hardee's came in and filed for an injunction to prevent him from selling his land, even though they terminated the franchise agreement.

So basically our guy is stuck with land he can't sell or lease because the building on the property is set up to suit a restaurant and not much else.  Our side filed a counterclaim for damages related to the sale that fell through.

Leave the building and fixtures in place and open "Hardy's Crack House and Welfare Hangout" and see how that goes for the two year period.

Rec, except crack is illegal. Depending upon local zoning regulations, a large neon sign proclaiming "Hardee's 24-Hour Titty Emporium" may have First Amendment protection, however.

LOL!!  It would certainly get people's attention.  One of the other counterclaims (admittedly not among the strongest claims) is that Hardee's overtly over-the-top sexual commercials had a negative effect on the franchise's sales because it's in a rural part of Illinois and the commercials offended the conservative-minded population that comprised their customer-base.

 

7/01/2011 5:38 pm  #19


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I think you might have a hard time claiming that the rednecks of rural Illinois are offended by big breasted women and red meat.  The reason Hardee's sucks is because their food suck and it cost to much.  They tried his idea that they are not fast food.  In our town we have a Hardee's and DQ.  The two worst burger joints ever.  At least DQ has ice cream.

 

7/01/2011 6:14 pm  #20


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This is something that would go over in the midwest.

"Would you like fries with that... Bud Light? Certain Burger King Whopper Bar and Sonic Drive-In "Beach locations" around the U.S. are forever switching up the format of the beloved pick-up line by offering beer and wine along with their standard menu options.

Early this summer, Burger King Whopper Bar locations in Las Vegas, Nev., Kansas City, Mo., and Miami Beach, Fla., started offering "ice cold beer" to beef up the their fledgling Whopper Bar beer-and-burger concept. For a couple of dollars more than a soda, diners can wash down their Pepper Bacon Steakhouse XT with select Anheuser-Busch and MillerCoors beer products.


On June 13, the first SONIC Beach location opened in Homestead, Fla., offering three types of beer on tap, 25 different bottled beers, and 10 different wines — for customers who eat on the patio. For a fast-food restaurant that bills itself as "Your Ultimate Drink Stop," an expansion into alcoholic beverages only supports this Sonic-sized assertion.

Additional South Florida Sonic Drive-Ins designated as "Beach locations" are on the verge of getting into the alcoholic beverage game with plans to offer a wide variety of beer and wine, as well as cushioned seating, a sand and water feature, and TVs.

Do you think offering alcohol at fast-food restaurants is a good idea?"

 

7/01/2011 6:40 pm  #21


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artie_fufkin wrote:

Max wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Right now my buddy Greg (from fantasy football) has a case against Hardees.  Pursuant to the franchise agreement, our client was prohibited from selling or leasing his property to another restaurant for a period of two years in the event he closed his Hardee's.  Our guy wasn't making money and told Hardee's that he wasn't going to be able to pay royalties.  Hardee's terminated the franchise agreement.  Our guy tried to sell his property to someone else, but Hardee's came in and filed for an injunction to prevent him from selling his land, even though they terminated the franchise agreement.

So basically our guy is stuck with land he can't sell or lease because the building on the property is set up to suit a restaurant and not much else.  Our side filed a counterclaim for damages related to the sale that fell through.

Leave the building and fixtures in place and open "Hardy's Crack House and Welfare Hangout" and see how that goes for the two year period.

Rec, except crack is illegal. Depending upon local zoning regulations, a large neon sign proclaiming "Hardee's 24-Hour Titty Emporium" may have First Amendment protection, however.

But you have to change the spelling a bit.

 

7/01/2011 10:26 pm  #22


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APRTW wrote:

I think you might have a hard time claiming that the rednecks of rural Illinois are offended by big breasted women and red meat.  The reason Hardee's sucks is because their food suck and it cost to much.  They tried his idea that they are not fast food.  In our town we have a Hardee's and DQ.  The two worst burger joints ever.  At least DQ has ice cream.

People around here got all excited when the first Sonic in the area opened a couple of years ago. I went by a couple of weeks after it opened and there was a line to get into the parking lot that was about a quarter-mile long at about 10 p.m.
The last time I went by a few weeks ago, you could have pulled right in to any one of a number of vacant parking spaces in the lot. And this was at about 6:30 p.m. on a Friday.

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7/01/2011 10:29 pm  #23


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"Hardee's overtly over-the-top sexual commercials had a negative effect on the franchise's sales because it's in a rural part of Illinois and the commercials offended the conservative-minded population that comprised their customer-base."

Were they the ones with the commercial of the guy grabbing the cow's rear end and shaking it? I suppose in a rural area, that could be considered sexual.

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7/01/2011 10:39 pm  #24


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"But you have to change the spelling a bit."

"Tittie Emporium?"

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7/02/2011 3:00 am  #25


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artie_fufkin wrote:

"But you have to change the spelling a bit."

"Tittie Emporium?"

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