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Agreed. I know a lot of a-holes, but I don't know any that have millions of dollars and decide to waste a couple hours at a Little League baseball game taking pictures with everyone.
Also, his comments did a lot of good for this budding rivalry. Gentleman's game my ass. Cardinals-Reds games are the best in the league now, and we can partially thank Phillips' hubris for that.
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"Phillips is one of those guys who likes to talk shit. He's good, and actually plays better when he's emotionally involved, so he gets emotionally involved. It's a fucking annoyance if you have to play against the son of a bitch, because the only thing worse then losing to a rival, is having them talk shit every out along the way."
I remember him playing poorly when the Reds came to St. Louis last September, but that's not germain to what I'm about to write.
The problem I have with Phillips is his comments were a) unnecessary; and b) he really didn't earn the right to make them.
Remember, he sought out the reporter to tell him he doesn't like the Cardinals, not the other way around. Even if the Cardinals are whiny bitches, so what? Win something first, then you can talk. Otherwise, keep your mouth shut.
And not to dredge up the substance of the argument for the 111th time, but Carpenter had a point. The baseballs are supposed to be rubbed up. Arroyo doesn't want the balls rubbed up because he gets more movement. Did Carpenter complain "incessantly," as Marty Brennaman's mentally-retarded son suggests? I don't know. I read about Carpenter mentioning the issue about the baseballs once in a notes column in the on-line version Post-Dispatch. If it was a bigger deal than that, maybe it's because people on the Reds' side made it a bigger deal than that.
And at this point it seems to me the Reds have spent more time complaining about Carpenter complaining than Carpenter actually complained.
Now, obviously, these words are from a Cardinals' fan who wants to give Carpenter every benefit of the doubt, but subsequently, we've gotten the real story about allegations from Carpenter complaining about the fireworks and the mound at GAB earlier in the season. It wasn't Carpenter complaining, it was him accommodating requests from the umpire.
So, can we assume that maybe, just maybe, it's the Reds who are really the whiny bitches? I suppose if I was on my way to not winning the 13th consecutive series to another team in its own ballpark like the Reds are in St. Louis, I'd probably be a little frustrated, too.
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"Agreed. I know a lot of a-holes, but I don't know any that have millions of dollars and decide to waste a couple hours at a Little League baseball game taking pictures with everyone."
How many of them would feel the need to alert the media about their philanthropy?
TK, when I was in Little League, one of my teammates was the son of the state Treasurer at the time, a guy named Robert Crane (I've included his name because you can look it up if you don't believe me).
Crane was a unrepentant jock-sniffer, and he befriended Bobby Orr. At the time, Bobby Orr was the most recognizable person in New England. And nearly 40 years after he retired, he's still one of the most popular. He's our Stan Musial. Nearly every adult male over 40 in New England has a photo of Orr flying through the air after scoring the winning goal in Game 4 of the 1970 Stanley Cup finals (he writes as he's looking at a copy of said photo on his boss's desk about 15 feet away).
So, Bobby Orr showed up to one of my Little League games, to see his friend's son play baseball. He didn't Tweet about it. He wasn't accompanied by an entourage. The Boston TV media wasn't there to record footage for the 11 o'clock news. I don't even think his presence was even mentioned in the local weekly paper. I'm almost certain the words "photo op" never entered his head.
He just showed up, watched the game, signed autographs for every kid who wanted one until it got dark, then got in his car and drove himself home.
My point is there is something to be said about humility, and the Brandon Phillipses of the world will never understand that.
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Artie, just for grins I'll mention this. I play an internet game called League of Legends. It's this goofy little 5v5 player vs player game. We have a few guys together playing, just really keeping in contact until the next big game hits.
Inevitably if we're losing, the other team will start rubbing our ass in it. "Fail", "You noob", "You're fucking terrible, kill yourself", typical internet crap.... Should you reply you are spammed with "umad bro?", "u sound mad", "so mad" for the remainder of the game. Why? Because there's a large group of people who are just "trolls". The point of the antic or discussion is to get a reaction. I might get called "n**ger" in a game as well, for the same reason. It inspires a rage-reaction, and some people just love pissing other people off (Howard Stern?). The moment you respond, then it's just a contest for how long the troll can keep you snarling.
Brandon Phillips trolled St. Louis pretty hard, and the entire fanbase is still biting on it. That still doesn't make him an asshole in Cincinnati though. It just makes them crack up at how bad we let him get to us. Same as Cueto.
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"Brandon Phillips trolled St. Louis pretty hard, and the entire fanbase is still biting on it. That still doesn't make him an asshole in Cincinnati though. It just makes them crack up at how bad we let him get to us. Same as Cueto."
I'm guiltier of responding when I shouldn't than most people, and I'm aware of that. Part of it is being raised on the East Coast. People give you shit, you give it right back to them. Any other response is a form of weakness. It's just how we are, and how we survive. Look at the way we drive.
My limited interactions with people from the Midwest have led me to believe you people are much nicer than we are, so you respond to criticism in a more sincere way. And I mean that as a good thing.
The other component which you reference has to do with the anonymity of the internet, which has made the world smaller, and meaner. I've written stuff on- line that I'd never actually say in person. We probably all have. Except for Windy. He's probably as much of a dick in person as he is on-line.
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I agree with Alz. We are treating the Reds like the Cubs treat us.
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APRTW wrote:
I agree with Alz. We are treating the Reds like the Cubs treat us.
Except most of us can name at least half the players on the Reds. Half the players on the Cardinals, too.