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    5/22/2011 5:57 am  #26

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    I see no reason for Miller to still be pitching in high A ball.  I wouldnt give him a spot in the major league rotation but I think he is due if not overdue for a promotion.

     

    5/22/2011 12:27 pm  #27

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    I disagree AP. Ther's no reason to rush him. He's not going any higher than AA this season anyway, and he's still building arm strength.

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    5/22/2011 3:54 pm  #28

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    forsberg_us wrote:

    I disagree AP. Ther's no reason to rush him. He's not going any higher than AA this season anyway, and he's still building arm strength.

    I agree not to take him to Triple A but what use is it to have him carve up single A lineups.  Pitches are pitches, why not have him learn to make them against better hitters.

     

    5/22/2011 6:00 pm  #29

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    Artie can probably speak to this better than I, but I don't think you can simply say "pitches are pitches." 

    A pitch with runners base is more stressful than a pitch without baserunners.

    Miller is pitching against age-comparable hitters. Let him dominate, get comfortable with his off-speed stuff and move him up when he's ready. Obviously the numbers are great, but none of us have actually seen him pitch (at least I know I haven't) and I'll give them the benefit that there's a reason he's still at High A.

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    5/22/2011 6:29 pm  #30

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    I can see your point but I will wait to get overly excited until he shows he can be effective at a higher level.  I will buy into it before he reaches the majors but I find it hard to get to wound up over anything that happens at the single A level.

     

    5/22/2011 7:25 pm  #31

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    No one really knows what you get when you draft an 18 year old kid.  It's exciting that they drafted a kid who had a lot of hype and was highly enough thought of that other teams passed on him because they weren't willing to meet his salary demands. It used to be the Cardinals who passed on those kids (see Kozma, Pete).

    We drafted a lot of guys who were rushed to AAA. Todd and Mortensen come to mind. I have no idea how you're supposed to develop a pitcher, so I just have to hope they're doing the right thing.

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    5/22/2011 9:06 pm  #32

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    APRTW wrote:

    forsberg_us wrote:

    I disagree AP. Ther's no reason to rush him. He's not going any higher than AA this season anyway, and he's still building arm strength.

    I agree not to take him to Triple A but what use is it to have him carve up single A lineups.  Pitches are pitches, why not have him learn to make them against better hitters.

    He's advancing at a typical and appropriate pace - last year in the rookie league, this year in High A, and if he keeps pitching well he'll probably get a taste of Double A at the end of the year. It's hard to say without seeing him, but it's pretty clear Miller has one pitch, a fastball judging from his strikeout totals, that he can blow by Single A hitters at will. That's great, but he has to develop a second pitch, and if they project him to be a starter, a third pitch.
    Remember, Miller is only 20 and he's pitched ~150 innings as a professional. I'd err on the side of caution, especially with a young pitcher. You leave him at Single A a month too long, there's no harm done. If you rush him to Double A a month early and he gets hammered, he loses confidence he may never get back.

     

    5/22/2011 9:19 pm  #33

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    forsberg_us wrote:

    Artie can probably speak to this better than I, but I don't think you can simply say "pitches are pitches."

    I can't say. I was never good enough to play at a level where development took precedence over results. Except for fall league, and I was always too worried about making the team, so I couldn't afford to just go out there and just shrug off a bad outing as "working on my mechanics." So I think every pitch I ever threw whether the bases were loaded or there were two outs and no one on was with the intent of getting someone out.

     

    5/26/2011 11:50 am  #34

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    Pretty decent story about Carlos Martinez in today's Post-Dispatch

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_52cf6879-f1c8-575e-bf3b-787c962c0ac8.html

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    5/26/2011 12:20 pm  #35

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    Good stuff. The kind of kid you want to root for.

     

    5/26/2011 10:27 pm  #36

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    5 IP, 7 H, 1 ER, 1 BB and 5 SO for Martinez at Busch Stadium tonight.

    Cox was 2-for-3 in his Springfield debut.

     

    5/27/2011 11:51 am  #37

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    Interesting to hear Mo say that Martinez was ahead of Miller at his point.

     

    5/27/2011 12:03 pm  #38

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    APRTW wrote:

    Interesting to hear Mo say that Martinez was ahead of Miller at his point.

    http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_993a9242-5e5c-591e-8d83-e75a9cc48c65.html

    "It's exciting to know you've got those kinds of arms down below," Mozeliak said. "All things being equal, (Martinez) might be a little bit ahead, in the sense of secondary stuff. He seems to be very confident when to use it."


    Which probably explains why Miller remains at High A.  Let him continue to dominate while gaining comfort with his secondary ptiches.

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    5/28/2011 1:39 pm  #39

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    Mr. Overrated struck out 12, walked one, allowed three hits and one run in seven innings last night. Now he's done with Palm Beach and has been promoted to Springfield.

    Unless he's so dominant that he makes Double-A look easy, I think he ends the year there. This guy is for real.

     

    5/28/2011 3:09 pm  #40

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    Glad to see him promoted.  Not that I dont understand what fors has said but I am interested to see how he reacts to a higher level of baseball.

     

    5/28/2011 5:52 pm  #41

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    Don't get me wrong AP. I'm excited to see what he does at AA also.

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    5/30/2011 9:34 pm  #42

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    Zack Cox hit his first Double-A home run today. He's batting .300/.462/.450 through six games.

    If Allen Craig is the eventual answer at second base and the team sticks with Freese for the long-term, I'd have to assume Cox gets traded sometime after next Tuesday.

     

    5/31/2011 12:57 am  #43

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    Cox was just draft?  If he is two years off wouldnt it be kind of stupid to trade him because there seems to be a answer at second right now?  Freese hast been Mr. Dependible at third either. 

    Isnt Cox's bat more the second base type anyway?

     

    5/31/2011 8:10 am  #44

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    His bat is projected to play at second base, but I don't think they are comfortable playing him there. Then again, Allen Craig isn't a second baseman either, but I think the coaching staff sees the same thing with Craig that makes them think he's going to be a plus-bat.

     

    5/31/2011 8:31 am  #45

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    Uggla isnt a very good second baseman either.  He has made alot of money doing it though.  If Craig can be a 15-20hr 80rbi guy he will be thought of as a good second baseman or at least a good option to play there considering his bat.  Fantasy owners will like him.

     

    5/31/2011 9:25 am  #46

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    Looking threw the Minor League stats.

    Nick Stavinoha is said to be more of an emergency option at catcher yet he hasnt played an inning of catcher in triple A.

    Who is Matthew Adams?  His double A stats are through the roof.  14 HRS 43 RBIs .331 BA in 178 AB.

    Who is Alex Castellanos?  12 HRs 36RBIs .321BA in 158 AB.

    Just looking, their strikeout rate is high. 

    Maikel Cleto is starting in double A.  I didnt think he was a starter.  His 2.62 ERA and 25/10 SO/BB walk rate says he isnt doing to bad for a 22 year old. 

    Nick Addition is also doing well.  2.85 ERA, 32/5 SO/BB

     

    5/31/2011 9:39 am  #47

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    "Who is Matthew Adams?  His double A stats are through the roof.  14 HRS 43 RBIs .331 BA in 178 AB."

    He's going to be the starting first baseman for your St. Louis Cardinals after Pujols signs with the Cubs.

     

    5/31/2011 1:09 pm  #48

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    That's scary. It's going to be hard to find a first baseman who hits .260/.330/.400.

     

    6/01/2011 12:54 am  #49

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    tkihshbt wrote:

    That's scary. It's going to be hard to find a first baseman who hits .260/.330/.400.

    Pujols doesnt like being compared to Brendan Ryan.

     

    6/01/2011 8:44 am  #50

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    Joe Kelly takes No-no to 8th

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110531&content_id=19841740&fext=.jsp&vkey=news_milb&tcid=tw_share

     

     

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