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Max wrote:
APRTW wrote:
With the pic thing it there was to be a jp or another lettering I cant think of right now on the end of the link for it to work.
Ahhh . . . you mean something like this:
or like this
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Max wrote:
Cool stat from Al. Gibson had 251 wins and 255 complete games.
It was a different era back then. That's the way I remember baseball when I was young. 20 game losers were not unheard of. That might make a way to mark the changing of the era, when was the last 20 game loser?
OK. Thanks to everybody who played. It turns out the answer is:
I think Maroth (2003) was a real outlier. The one before him is 1980, and as you go back from there they are pretty common. That's pretty much the way I remember it, too. Right up through much of the 70's the bullpen had a much reduced role compared to what it is now, and the bench had a commensurately larger role. The 4 man rotation probably had an impact, too.
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APRTW wrote:
Max wrote:
APRTW wrote:
With the pic thing it there was to be a jp or another lettering I cant think of right now on the end of the link for it to work.
Ahhh . . . you mean something like this:
or like this
Oh, man. You are horrible! Who the hell even makes bathing suits in those sizes and who, for God's sake, helps these women struggle into them?!?
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APRTW wrote:
Max wrote:
Cool stat from Al. Gibson had 251 wins and 255 complete games.
It was a different era back then. That's the way I remember baseball when I was young. 20 game losers were not unheard of. That might make a way to mark the changing of the era, when was the last 20 game loser?Cement-head lost 18 in 2005 and 17 in 2007.
Didn't we do this already? It was Mike Maroth in 2003.
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"did you see anything this weekend from the Cubs that suggests they're close enough to being contenders to stoke Pujols' interest?"
I like the second baseman, and the shortstop would be a good hitter in the right lineup, but I'll be surprised if they can eke out more wins than the Pirates. They have some useful pieces in their bullpen. I'd love to see Marshall in a Cardinals' uniform.
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Could've been that we have done it and I missed it, or forgot, or was drunk at the time.
In any case, I repeat Maroth was an outlier. The era when your complete games could exceed your wins probably ended in the 70's. Losing 20 games was just a stat I plucked out that probably correlates with the close of that era.
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Max wrote:
Could've been that we have done it and I missed it, or forgot, or was drunk at the time.
In any case, I repeat Maroth was an outlier. The era when your complete games could exceed your wins probably ended in the 70's. Losing 20 games was just a stat I plucked out that probably correlates with the close of that era.
There were also 4-man rotations until the early '80s.
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How about Walter Johnson going 25-20 with a 1.90 ERA in 1916?
Run support, anyone?
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artie_fufkin wrote:
How about Walter Johnson going 25-20 with a 1.90 ERA in 1916?
Run support, anyone?
A list of the suckyest years of all time
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Jason Marquis got a world series ring the same year he had the most loses in the league.
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Max wrote:
But, in any case, having an offer like that helps when negotiating with other teams.
No argument there.
I still think Pujols ends up back in St. Louis. There are so many factors working in their favor. The Yankees and Red Sox have their first baseman locked up. Same with Detroit. Chicago spent real money on Konerko and Dunn. The Angels took on an absurd contract with Vernon Wells (that one really baffles me) and are going to have to pony up to keep Weaver pretty soon. In the NL, the Mets and Dodgers are in financial disarray. Atlanta could be attractive, but they don't seem to be signing big contracts. The Cubs completely suck. I'm not sure SF would be attractive because it's such a bad hitters park.
As crazy as it sounds, one team that concerns me a little is KC. Most of their talent is young and inexpensive, and they're getting a lot better. Also, Pujols would probably sell enough tickets to offset the salary increase. They have both Butler and Hosmer, but if I was KC ownership, I'd at least give it serious consideration. It's a lot easier to sell $30M more in tickets when you don't have any existing ticket sales.
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Speaking of Adam Dunn, he is hitting .182/5/23.
Speaking of Veron Wells, he is hitting .183/4/13 and is on the 15 day DL.
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Hey I just noticed. The Cardinals have the best record in the majors.
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"They have both Butler and Hosmer, but if I was KC ownership, I'd at least give it serious consideration."
Does Glass still own the team?
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artie_fufkin wrote:
Max wrote:
Could've been that we have done it and I missed it, or forgot, or was drunk at the time.
In any case, I repeat Maroth was an outlier. The era when your complete games could exceed your wins probably ended in the 70's. Losing 20 games was just a stat I plucked out that probably correlates with the close of that era.There were also 4-man rotations until the early '80s.
If great minds think alike, then maybe mediocre, semi-drunken ones do too: "Right up through much of the 70's the bullpen had a much reduced role compared to what it is now, and the bench had a commensurately larger role. The 4 man rotation probably had an impact, too."
I think we should start a discussion on the six man rotation.
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forsberg_us wrote:
Max wrote:
But, in any case, having an offer like that helps when negotiating with other teams.
No argument there.
I still think Pujols ends up back in St. Louis.
I tend to agree that it is more likely that he winds up in St. Louis than anywhere else, but does that mean it's 50% or better he winds up back with the good guys? Or is it more like the GOP presidential field, where the leader gets 22% of the support, and #2 gets 19%? I dunno.
Sucking makes it easier to sign him, but I remain concerned we would resign an emasculated Pujols, who is never the same, if he isn't at least partially vindicated by at least getting offers that are monstrous.
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APRTW wrote:
Speaking of Adam Dunn, he is hitting .182/5/23.
Speaking of Veron Wells, he is hitting .183/4/13 and is on the 15 day DL.
check out Uggla: .174 .243 .317
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APRTW wrote:
Hey I just noticed. The Cardinals have the best record in the majors.
not really. the phillies have a slightly better win pct.
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Max wrote:
I think we should start a discussion on the six man rotation.
6-man rotations are already routine in Japan, and the Red Sox were supposedly talking about using one until Matsuzaka got hurt. What a bust that guy's been. There's about a 99 percent chance he'll never set foot in the good ol' US and A ever again.
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I still can't figure out why Cubs fans are so convinced Pujols is going to end up in Chicago.
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tkihshbt wrote:
I still can't figure out why Cubs fans are so convinced Pujols is going to end up in Chicago.
It makes all the sense in the world to them. Pena is on a 1-year contract, they have money coming off the books, and by making themselves stronger, the Cubs make their enemy weaker.
The other 29 teams are just farm clubs to the Cubs. The notion that every superstar player someday doesn't want to fulfill his life's goal by wearing the blue pajamas is just inconceivable to them.
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While we're on the topic of the boys in blue pajamas. LMAO!!!
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So ... just re-reviewing the bombing Pujols put up yesterday to see if he did what I thought, and someone else here referenced....
He completely Bonds'd that last HR, left the bat in the air, stalked halfway down first base, then began trotting. Made it around third about 6 minutes later, did a high-stepping happy dance on the way to home plate....
I understand the happiness, everyone is extremely relieved to see him playing well, but .... I gotta think he's going to take one is the ribs next time we play the Cubs.
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forsberg_us wrote:
While we're on the topic of the boys in blue pajamas. LMAO!!!
"We should know better than this," he told reporters. "We play like a Triple-A team. This is embarrassing. Embarrassing for the team and the owners. Embarrassing for the fans. Embarrassed -- that's the word for this team ... We stink."
Well, he's not wrong ...
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alz wrote:
So ... just re-reviewing the bombing Pujols put up yesterday to see if he did what I thought, and someone else here referenced....
He completely Bonds'd that last HR, left the bat in the air, stalked halfway down first base, then began trotting. Made it around third about 6 minutes later, did a high-stepping happy dance on the way to home plate....
I understand the happiness, everyone is extremely relieved to see him playing well, but .... I gotta think he's going to take one is the ribs next time we play the Cubs.
I didn't comment because I didn't see the replay until this morning, but it was pretty bush.