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Amateur Draft Profile: Kolten Wong, 2B, Hawai'i
by David Coleman on May 29, 2011 8:30 AM CDT in Player Profiles
Kolten Wong is short and he's from Hawai'i. Those are two big strikes against him in baseball scouting circles, but should they be? Wong has shown he can hit, both with aluminum bats and the new ones they're using this year. He hits for power and average. He gets on base.
To paraphrase Dustin Pedroia, it's Laser Show 2.0.
Scouts don't always get out to Hawai'i, though, so he hasn't had a huge national profile until recently. Even then, most mock drafters have listed him at the bottom of the first round. Many teams will be scared away by his size (listed at 5-foot-9) and the fact he doesn't play a premium position like shortstop or catcher. The reports are that he will be decent defensively, so he could stick at second base in the future.
Oh, did I mention Baseball America listed him as the second-best pure hitter in college behind Anthony Rendon? If this were a different draft...well, Wong's size would still keep him out of the Top 15 in this draft But it shouldn't. He's a legitimate prospect. All it's going to take is a team to believe in his tools and ignore his size.
Floor
With a guy who can hit like him, the question becomes his position. If his power doesn't translate to the pros, he's still a good hitter. It just limits his impact. At the very least, he'll be a guy who can hit .280 and play a decent position or come off the bench. But, I think that's his absolute floor, as a left-handed pinch hitter in the big leagues.
Ceiling
I don't want to get too hyperbolic here (said right before I get hyperbolic), but I think Wong could become the kind of hitter Joe Morgan was. That's his upper limit. With his bat speed, power/speed combo on the bases and the ability to play a solid second base, there's no question that Wong could be the same kind of as Morgan. I'm not comparing them as players, because it's silly to link anyone to a Hall of Famer. But, the Pedroia comp is also inevitable, given their size and position. If that's Wong's upper end, he's still sitting pretty good.
More realistically, Wong's upside is probably one of the Angels' recent infielders like Howie Kendrick or Chone Figgins.
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I saw that Wong was mocked to the Cardinals. From this write-up I'm pretty excited to see what he can do.
Do you think La Russa would view him as a "total guy" ala Schumaker or Theriot?
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tkihshbt wrote:
I saw that Wong was mocked to the Cardinals. From this write-up I'm pretty excited to see what he can do.
Do you think La Russa would view him as a "total guy" ala Schumaker or Theriot?
Considering TLR's particular fondness for Asians in the shower and John Hart's scouting report on The Network AP Doesn't Get, I'm going to invest in a company that manufactures loofas tomorrow.
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Hard to find any negative comments about the kid, TK. Kidding about Tone's proclivities aside, I'd say he's the type of player Tony loves, only with more talent.
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Better stow the sunshine and lollipop talk because the Armchair Scouts are out in full force calling this a horrible pick.
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tkihshbt wrote:
Better stow the sunshine and lollipop talk because the Armchair Scouts are out in full force calling this a horrible pick.
Let me guess. Keith Law?
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I haven't read his take yet, but the many would-be professional scouts on various message boards are writing it off as another Pete Kozma pick.
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I don't know if Law wrote this or someone else, but this is ESPN Insider's scouting report and it ain't necessarily pretty.
Wong is a one-tool player, but fortunately for him, it's the tool that matters most, the ability to hit, something he's done well over the last year between the Cape and his junior spring.
He has very good hand-eye coordination and lets the ball travel deep on him, loading his hands well behind his shoulder and producing line-drive contact without much loft in his swing. He's a below-average runner who can stay at second base but isn't likely to be more than average there; you could see him move behind the plate at some point, as he has the body for it but not the plus arm most converts to catcher have. He was completely overmatched as an underclassman trying out for Team USA in 2009, and declined the chance to try out in 2010, perhaps fearing a repeat performance.
Because he has hit so well in school and on the Cape last year, Wong will probably go off the board in the top two rounds, but his upside is limited compared to some of the toolsier options on the board.
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FWIW, Law had Wong going at #30. Not sure if that was based on talent or signability, but it isn't like he's a complete unknown.
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Only having seen him play in the NCAA tournament last year, I can't really judge whether he'll make it or not, but the thing I like is he was MVP of the Cape League last summer. That's a good wood bat league.
The obvious question is where you play Cox and Wong in the same infield, but I guess if you worry about that when you have to.
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Aren't they still projecting Cox as a third baseman?
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forsberg_us wrote:
Aren't they still projecting Cox as a third baseman?
You're right. He's played third exclusively in the minors.
.225/1/5 with 14 Ks in 47 plate appearances so far in Springfield. Four errors in 33 chances. Maybe the sun was in his eyes?
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forsberg_us wrote:
Is he scrappy?
That's not for me to say. Hrabosky is the arbiter of scrappiosity.
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Luhnow: "I look three, four years into the future and if we have Cox at third and Wong at second, I'll be a happy man."
Why do I have a feeling that an infield of Cox and Wong could require Cardinal games to be broadcast on satellite radio if Shannon is still handling broadcast duties?
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forsberg_us wrote:
Luhnow: "I look three, four years into the future and if we have Cox at third and Wong at second, I'll be a happy man."
Why do I have a feeling that an infield of Cox and Wong could require Cardinal games to be broadcast on satellite radio if Shannon is still handling broadcast duties?
another LOL!. remember those stories about the pitcher named bong, and the announcer who liked to say, "that's another hit off bong"?
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FWIW- ESPN (I assume that's Law) had a much higher opinion of the Cardinals second round pick, Charles Tilson. Law had him rated #38 in his Top 100 prospects. Their scouting report:
"Tilson is a five-tool player, a rarity for a cold-weather high school kid (he's from Illinois), and has a chance to go in the top 50 picks. He's a plus-runner who can play centerfield and has surprising power for his size, although the swing plane doesn't have tremendous loft in it.
He has excellent hand speed and showed at last summer's Area Code Games, which was his national coming-out party, that he can adjust his swing as needed, going short for contact but staying back to drive a ball when he got a pitch he could pull. He has the speed and instincts to play center with a plus arm.
What he doesn't have is a lot of experience against good-quality pitching, since he plays in Illinois, and hasn't hit for any power this spring. That may hold him out of the first round, but the raw tools are there and cold-weather kids can get going late in the spring. He has the ceiling of an above-average everyday center fielder with a chance to be an All-Star."
One issue though--there may be some signability concerns.
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Gaviglio is Oregon State's ace. A steal in the fifth round.
2. Charlie Tilson, 79th overall. Tilson is an athletic center fielder with great speed and power scouts are divided on. MLB.com compares him to Jacoby Ellsbury. Me? I compare every athletic 5'11" center fielder with power that may or may not develop later to Ray Lankford. He's the next Ray Lankford!
3. C.J. McElroy, 109th overall. Another ath-u-lete, a high school center fielder with bloodlines—his father, Chuck McElroy, was an MLB pitcher, grandpa Sylvester played in the Negro Leagues, and Cecil Cooper is his uncle. McElroy is supposed to play outstanding defense, and as a late bloomer he might surprise with his power in the minor leagues.
4. Kenny Peoples-Walls, 140th overall. Another ath-u-lete. He possesses an "intriguing speed/power mix", according to his internet clips, and is currently a shortstop, although he's likely to move to second base as he bulks up.
5. Sam Gaviglio, 170th overall. The first pitcher, if you were counting—a little small for a starter, with a college background and the usual Dave Duncan repertoire of sinkers and double-play balls.
6. Adam Ehrlich, 200th overall. A finished product as a catcher, his skills at the plate rather than behind it are currently a mystery. But he's left-handed!
7. Nick Martini, 230th overall. Stop me if you've heard this one before: He's an undersized center fielder who's surprisingly athletic and able to hit for contact. This one's a college boy—from Kansas State.
8. Danny Miranda, 260th overall. One of the strangest picks of the draft, Miranda is a left-handed closer with a sub-nineties fastball who put up outstanding numbers for the University of Miami as a sophomore and junior.
9. Tyler Mills, 290th overall. Another college pitcher—a hard-throwing former outfielder who's had some inconsistent results as a pitcher for the University of Michigan.
10. Lance Jeffries, 320th overall. Blazingly fast outfielder who "prides himself on being able to get on base." He distinguishes himself from the earlier blazingly fast outfielders by being a local product and a real, live Cardinals fan. Also by breaking the six-footer barrier.
Capsule reports for the next 20 picks are available courtesy Austin Laymance of MLB.com.
11. Michael Maness, RHP East Carolina
12. Danny Stienstra, 1B San Jose State
13. Kolby Byrd, C Coplah-Lincoln CC
14. Kevin Medrano, 2B Missouri State
15. Matthew Williams, SS Liberty
16. Travis Miller, RHP University of Miami
17. Dutch Deol, RF Aliso Niguel HS
18. Kyle Hald, LHP Old Dominion
18. Nick Gillung, LHP Mercyhurst College
20. Aramis Garcia, Pembroke Pines HS
21. Christopher Kirsh, LHP Lackawanna College
22. William Kamplain, LHP Walker HS
23. Patrick Deese, RHP Western Carolina
24. Jonathan Cornelius, LHP Florida Tech
25. Todd McInnis, RHP Southern Miss
26. Brett Graves, RHP Francis Howell HS
27. Gary Apellan, RF Santa Ana College
28. Ryan Sherriff, LHP West Los Angeles College
29. Christopher Matulis, LHP Central Florida
30. David Bergin, RHP Tennessee Wesleyan
Early pick for best name of the draft: Dutch Deol.
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20. Aramis Garcia, Pembroke Pines HS
Isn't this a pretty good high school for baseball players? It seems like someone else in ths draft is from Pembroke Pines. Maybe I'm wrong.