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9/28/2010 7:44 pm  #1


Ken Burns' Tenth Inning

Airing on PBS right now. For those who want to re-live that awesome year in 1994, they're discussing it now.

Does anyone else find it hilarious that George Will is Ayn Rand until it comes to baseball?

 

9/28/2010 9:36 pm  #2


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Enjoyed Ken Burns' baseball 1994, as well as the civil war and the war 2007. He does good work .

 

9/28/2010 10:00 pm  #3


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I had to turn it off when it got to the part about the Yankees. Couldn't stomach it.

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9/29/2010 9:24 am  #4


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tkihshbt wrote:

I had to turn it off when it got to the part about the Yankees. Couldn't stomach it.

Yeah, I didn't remember the 1996 World Series being such a pivotal moment in  the country's history. And I dispute Boswell's claim that the Yankees of that era were a bunch of nice guys who were fun to watch. Paul O'Neill was a redass. Chuck Knoblauch was a straight up jerk. Wade Boggs is an asshole. Jim Leyritz? Please. And the Yankees invented the 4-hour 9-inning baseball game, which ain't a lot of fun.
It was interesting that Keith Olbermann was chosen to be one of the contributors, since he was the one who pointed out all the factual errors of the original series.
I liked Burns' "Civil War" series immensely. I didn't see a minute of his series about Jazz, and I had only a tepid response to the original episodes about baseball, which had some decent moments but mostly dragged. Last night's segment was better. It will be interesting to see what tonight's segment brings. Since they left Bonds teetering on a cliff, I'm guessing we'll see a lot of him. And Bartman. Prepare for about a half-hour of whining about the 2003 NLCS from the myopians, especially George Will.
And no one can replace John Chancellor. Keith David is fine as a narrator, but it's like washing down a 5-course gourmet meal with a hot dog.

 

9/29/2010 1:23 pm  #5


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Did you hear Boswell casually dropped in that a Hall of Fame player told him he saw what Jose Canseco was doing and started doing it too?

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9/29/2010 2:25 pm  #6


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tkihshbt wrote:

Did you hear Boswell casually dropped in that a Hall of Fame player told him he saw what Jose Canseco was doing and started doing it too?

I was clicking between the documentary and two baseball games, so I must have missed it. Looking back, it's hard to imagine how many people either ignored or didn't see all the red flags about PEDs.
There was a documentary about PEDs called "Bigger, Stronger, Faster" that came out a couple of years ago. Most of the interviews are with admitted users, including one dealer who said the claim that steroids cause health problems was unfounded. I guess the filmmaker's brother, a former pro wrestler, died a few months after the movie came out.

 

9/29/2010 3:26 pm  #7


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artie_fufkin wrote:

Yeah, I didn't remember the 1996 World Series being such a pivotal moment in  the country's history. And I dispute Boswell's claim that the Yankees of that era were a bunch of nice guys who were fun to watch. Paul O'Neill was a redass. Chuck Knoblauch was a straight up jerk. Wade Boggs is an asshole. Jim Leyritz? Please. And the Yankees invented the 4-hour 9-inning baseball game, which ain't a lot of fun.
It was interesting that Keith Olbermann was chosen to be one of the contributors, since he was the one who pointed out all the factual errors of the original series.
I liked Burns' "Civil War" series immensely. I didn't see a minute of his series about Jazz, and I had only a tepid response to the original episodes about baseball, which had some decent moments but mostly dragged. Last night's segment was better. It will be interesting to see what tonight's segment brings. Since they left Bonds teetering on a cliff, I'm guessing we'll see a lot of him. And Bartman. Prepare for about a half-hour of whining about the 2003 NLCS from the myopians, especially George Will.
And no one can replace John Chancellor. Keith David is fine as a narrator, but it's like washing down a 5-course gourmet meal with a hot dog.

I haven't been able to stomach anything with Ken Burns name attached to it since the Civil War series.  I enjoyed every episode of that series but then I made the mistake of listening to his post-broadcast commentary.  Like the Michael Caine character in "Zulu," I somehow felt ashamed of myself for having enjoyed it.  Unclean is perhaps a better word.  Like I'd gotten really drunk and woke up in bed with Rosie.

Incidentally, Artie, congratulations on your choice of John Chancellor.  You and I so often disagree about folks in that line of work that I really enjoy it when you lead us where I can follow without reservation.

 

9/29/2010 9:27 pm  #8


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Watching the second half of the documentary, I got confused. I was under the impression that there were 30 teams in the major leagues, not two.
Was Pujols even mentioned? I know they showed him in two still photos, but I think they showed that many of Brad Ausmus as well.

 

9/30/2010 8:47 am  #9


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LOL. I've been reading the same complaints. I guess you can tell the story of baseball over the past 16 years without mentioning Pujols.

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9/30/2010 2:41 pm  #10


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I feel compelled to correct myself. I missed the opening montage in the 8 p.m. version, but saw in the re-broadcast that started at 10:30 p.m. there was about three seconds of Pujols' jogging to first when he hit his home run off Lidge in the 2005 NLCS. But devoting more time to a Sunday morning beer league in the Bronx than the player who won the NL Triple Crown for the decade is still probably a good idea.

 

9/30/2010 6:36 pm  #11


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Mags wrote:

I haven't been able to stomach anything with Ken Burns name attached to it since the Civil War series.

I recall a few years back when you made a similar comment, and was going to mention that, until you reiterated the opinion . . . with more conviction.

At the time, I was kind of like, "Huh?  I wonder what Mags's problem is.  I think Burns is awesome."  But since then I've had a chance to go back and see those documentaries and I think that, yes, baseball and the civil war were good, but i also found the civil war one, in particular, to be a bit superficial, and overall, his style to be a bit repetitive . . . a bit like the music of Phillip Glass: it hit the world like a breath of fresh air, but went stale more quickly than many of us expected it to.

 

9/30/2010 6:42 pm  #12


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"And no one can replace John Chancellor. Keith David is fine as a narrator, but it's like washing down a 5-course gourmet meal with a hot dog."

speaking of which, Darth, the BBC/Discovery 10-part extravaganza, "Life" was narrated by David Attenborough, when broadcast on the BBC.  But for the American version it was Oprah Winfrey.  OMG what a disaster; I'll bet she paid THEM to do the voice over!  I have the original version with Attenborough . . . now there is a guy whom no one can replace.  It will be a sad day for the Silver Hammer Dude when we finally lose him.

 

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