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The Rasmus Era
Of course I want Colby to awesome, and maybe I was misled or misunderstood about what his ceiling was. I expected a guy who might win Rookie of the year, and who would then be among the leagues leading center fielders. I thought his defense would be a plus. And if we got all that, then the side-show drama would be obnoxious, but worth it. What have really gotten, up to this point?
So, if the league has 30 teams, we can divide the teams easily into top, middle, and bottom tiers, 1-10, 11-20, 21-30. My perception was that we would get a homegrown top tier center fielder, both on offense and defense, working on the cheap until he reached arbitration, and then free agency. I did not think, as Artie indicated, that we would be getting someone who was clearly a tier down from JD Drew.
Defense first. Quantifying defense is tricky, but I think we will all agree that he has not yet performed at the level of a top tier center fieder, that is: among the 10 best starting centerfield ranked by their defense. Whether he is middle tier or bottom tier, is worth debating, and I would love to hear it, if someone wants to give it a whirl.
Offense: measured by OPS.
2009: 23rd best in MLB -- THIRD TIER
2010: 4th best in MLB -- FIRST TIER
2011 (first half): 12th best -- SECOND TIER
So, by this measure, 2010 he fulfilled the expectations that he would be a first tier center fielder, he was a clear disappointment in his rookie season, and he has regressed in his third season in the league.
So, has he delivered on the expectations that built up around him or not?
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Re: The Rasmus Era
"Offense: measured by OPS."
2009- 17th--2nd tier
2010- 1st
2011- 9th--1st tier
FWIW- He was 5th (excluding players with only a handlful of at-bats) in 2009 before the All-Star Break (and before he came down with the virus that shelved him most of the 2nd half)
I'd say he's lived up to expectations offensively. He's worse than I expected defensively.
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Re: The Rasmus Era
"I would love to hear it, if someone wants to give it a whirl."
Let's see, what would be more painful? Engaging in yet another argument with Max about Colby Rasmus's relative worth, or giving myself a haircut with a circular saw? ...
... Anyone have an extension cord I can borrow?
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Re: The Rasmus Era
Weird . . .
2009: 23rd best in MLB -- THIRD TIER
2010: 4th best in MLB -- FIRST TIER
2011 (first half): 12th best -- SECOND TIER
Maybe MLB uses a more restrictive definition of what is a center fielder.
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"Weird . . ."
Not really. Yahoo tends to list players by the positions they qualify for purpose of Yahoo's fantasy leagues. So a player who plays 10 games in CF shows up as a centerfielder. ESPN lists players by the position they're actually played a majority of the time.
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"I did not think, as Artie indicated, that we would be getting someone who was clearly a tier down from JD Drew."
I'm not sure why you think having less talent than JD Drew is a slight. JD Drew had the talent to be a top 10 player year in and year out. That's what made it frustrating that he wasn't better than he was. Until very recently, Drew had a career OPS over .900, and that's with minimal effort or desire.
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Re: The Rasmus Era
I will concede that MLB's numbers are probably better than Yahoo's and perhaps Rasmus has performed more like a first tier center fielder in terms of his offense.
I never said it was a slight to be worse than Drew--you keep making stuff up. I said I had the impression that we were getting a Drew-like talent, which is a compliment, if we are talking about skills. But if Rasmus is a second tier center fielder offensively, as I had thought, and a third tier center fielder defensively, as is arguable, then he clearly isn't on the same level as JD Drew.
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" I said I had the impression that we were getting a Drew-like talent"
I don't know from whom. Drew won the Golden Spikes Award and was the #2 pick in the draft, behind a guy who threw 100 mph. The only reason he *fell" to fifth the following year was because the four teams ahead of him didn't want to pay him the $10 million his agent was asking. Drew was as sure a thing as there's ever been in the draft.
Rasmus was the 28th pick. He didn't have Drew's pedigree. Hell, I think the last player coming out of the draft that was considered more "can't miss" than Drew was Alex Rodriguez.
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