They can't trade Pujols without his permission.  He's got 10 & 5 protection.  I thought he said he'd veto any trade.

artie_fufkin wrote:

Webstergrovesalum wrote:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ycn-8841927

SERIOUSLY?! He's got to be kidding! Trade Pujols for Izzy?

It doesn't make sense because the Mets are selling, and the Cardinals are buying, but if Moz picks up the phone and the Mets are willing to offer, say, Reyes, Izzy, and Parnell and/or Niese for two months of Pujols, then I'd listen.
Then that ~$25 million you were going to pay Pujols for the next 7-8 years can go a long way in other directions.

and, you could sign Pujols again in November.

Webstergrovesalum wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

Webstergrovesalum wrote:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ycn-8841927

SERIOUSLY?! He's got to be kidding! Trade Pujols for Izzy?

It doesn't make sense because the Mets are selling, and the Cardinals are buying, but if Moz picks up the phone and the Mets are willing to offer, say, Reyes, Izzy, and Parnell and/or Niese for two months of Pujols, then I'd listen.
Then that ~$25 million you were going to pay Pujols for the next 7-8 years can go a long way in other directions.

I guess Pujols hasn't helped himself with poor performances this year.

BTW - what happened to the emoticons?

After Fors repeatedly made fun of me with them, I asked AP's mom to make him stop.  And now it's more fiar for everyone.

Speaking Pujols poor performance, Bernie had a stat a week or so back that since about June 2(?) 10(?) Pujols is hitting above his career average in most/all indicators.

Max wrote:

After Fors repeatedly made fun of me with them, I asked AP's mom to make him stop.  And now it's more fiar for everyone.

Well done. But they're sill there. You just have to click on the one first (grin)

Max wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

"and, you could sign Pujols again in November."

You didn't scan ahead to my wicked pissa Gordian Knot reference. How many times you gonna see that kind of brilliance on a baseball board?

well done. 

we don't have internet yet in the new house, so i only do internet when i am back here at the old one.

When do you pass papers?

"Mozeliak indicated a belief that "baby steps can still help us" if a lock-down reliever or a significant starting pitcher can't be acquired. Yet Rasmus' increasingly obvious availability creates potential for a broader deal.

A potential match with the White Sox and perhaps a third team in a deal involving Rasmus appears less likely, though the Cardinals remain among those in play for White Sox pending free agent starting pitcher Edwin Jackson.

The Orioles are expected to trade starting pitcher Jeremy Guthrie, who has attracted persistent interest from the Cardinals.

The Nationals, who have significant leverage to deal relief pitching and may listen on shortstop Ian Desmond, remain on the Cardinals.

The Giants seek offensive help to augment a strong pitching core. Their interest in New York Mets outfielder Carlos Beltran is well known but they may also view Astros All-Star outfielder Hunter Pence or Rasmus as a fallback.


Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_b28e7dbc-7799-5392-92e9-55cac41606bd.html#ixzz1TJORpoKQ"

"With the trade market experiencing only a minor temblor Tuesday,"

Jonny Gomes will be offended.

The trade Strauss spoke of with the White Sox is a bad one IMO.  I would take the Jeremy Guthrie or Ian Desmond (depending on pitchers involved) if the club is convinced they have to get rid of Rasmus.

I dont know enough to judge but I wonder what kind of player the Cardinals would have had to include to matched this deal?


"SEATTLE (AP)—Dave Dombrowski and the Detroit Tigers hope they’ve grabbed the pieces to round out a playoff pitching staff. The Seattle Mariners just keep searching for the right pieces in their rebuilding efforts.

The Mariners shipped right-handed starter Doug Fister(notes) and righty reliever David Pauley(notes) to the Tigers on Saturday morning for outfielder Casper Wells(notes), infielder Francisco Martinez, left-hander Charlie Furbush(notes) and a player to be named later.
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You have something against Furcal?  When healthy, he's been pretty productive and he's a significant upgrade defensively.

I just check the Post Dispatch and a story from earlier today leads you to believe the Furcal deal is more or less done.  I dont see a point in trading for him.  I know with Punto out for a couple weeks with an injury that is hard to get rid of the team feels a need for depth.  Greene offers more then Furcal does right now.  He is really sucking.

Your splitting hairs on the Theriot vs Furcal sucky july thing.  Both had really shitty months.  IDK if you improve by getting a guy who is slightly less shitty.  If his glove is better then that might help.  Another thing is that Theriot is having a bad month.  Furcal is having a bad year.  Of course if Furcal turns back the clock he can be usefull but as Cardinals fans we have been through this before.  Signing a player and expecting of them to get better just because they are a Cardinal.  Whatever ones opinion is on the Furcal trade is fine.  It is likely to be a non-issue.  He will remain a fill in while the Cardinals test him out.  The roster will absorb him at the Sept roster expansion and if the Cardinals make the playoffs people will be left out.