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Max · 8/11/2011 11:40 pm

With tonight's performance, Albert is now 28, 72, and .284, and I think his chance to repeat 30, 100, .300 is probably better than 50-50 now, though .300 might be close.

artie_fufkin · 8/12/2011 8:23 am

Four games out and we're pulling the chute on the season?

forsberg_us · 8/12/2011 8:51 am

artie_fufkin wrote:
Four games out and we're pulling the chute on the season?

Pretty much. They were 2 1/2 out when they went into Milwaukee 10 days ago and lost 4 of 6 to the team they're chasing. This team is trending poorly and I haven't seen anything to suggest a reversal of fortune anytime soon.

I think Alz said it best. The 2011 Cardinals' season ended when Wainwright's elbow went pop. They're about an 85-86 win team. Nothing embarassing about that with a guy who has won 39 games the last two season sitting on the sidelines, but not good enough to win.

tkihshbt · 8/12/2011 8:53 am

I already did that when Edwin Jackson was deemed the Difference Maker, but I'm wondering how far away we are from Lance Berkman getting an extension. I know Pujols is priorty no. 1, but I don't see how they couldn't finagle some deal with Berkman to provide insurance.

tkihshbt · 8/12/2011 9:01 am

forsberg_us wrote:
artie_fufkin wrote:
Four games out and we're pulling the chute on the season?
Pretty much. They were 2 1/2 out when they went into Milwaukee 10 days ago and lost 4 of 6 to the team they're chasing. This team is trending poorly and I haven't seen anything to suggest a reversal of fortune anytime soon.

I think Alz said it best. The 2011 Cardinals' season ended when Wainwright's elbow went pop. They're about an 85-86 win team. Nothing embarassing about that with a guy who has won 39 games the last two season sitting on the sidelines, but not good enough to win.

Yeah, give them a healthy Wainwright and they would be in much better position.

Other than his injury, the biggest culprits are the big cheeses La Russa, Duncan and Mozeliak. They waited too long to cut the cord on Franklin, Theriout and Batista, then they sent the best trading chip away for pennies on the dollar. Those four moves/non-moves have impacted the team more than the savvy acquisition of Berkman.

Max · 8/12/2011 9:21 am

artie_fufkin wrote:
Four games out and we're pulling the chute on the season?

I was being only partly facetious. The problem is that they have not been playing well against they team they are chasing. Losing a series at home when in a tight race was not a good sign.

At this point I'd say we're looking for a game changer, like Greinke gets injured and needs Tommy John surgery.

Max · 8/12/2011 9:24 am

tkihshbt wrote:
forsberg_us wrote:
artie_fufkin wrote:
Four games out and we're pulling the chute on the season?
Pretty much. They were 2 1/2 out when they went into Milwaukee 10 days ago and lost 4 of 6 to the team they're chasing. This team is trending poorly and I haven't seen anything to suggest a reversal of fortune anytime soon.

I think Alz said it best. The 2011 Cardinals' season ended when Wainwright's elbow went pop. They're about an 85-86 win team. Nothing embarassing about that with a guy who has won 39 games the last two season sitting on the sidelines, but not good enough to win.
Yeah, give them a healthy Wainwright and they would be in much better position.

Other than his injury, the biggest culprits are the big cheeses La Russa, Duncan and Mozeliak. They waited too long to cut the cord on Franklin, Theriout and Batista, then they sent the best trading chip away for pennies on the dollar. Those four moves/non-moves have impacted the team more than the savvy acquisition of Berkman.

I will differ from you a bit, since I believe that La Russa telegraphs instructions to the front office via his on-field personnel decisions, and the obvious need was for help in the bullpen. This is also where Alz helped clarify things. For their midseason fix, the Brewers went out and got K-Rod--when we were the team that needed help! We got Dotel and HWNCBP. That's just classic Mozeliak half-measures.

After an offseason in which they gained Greinke and Marcum and we lost Wainwright, they gained separation on us, instead of the other way around.

alz · 8/12/2011 9:33 am

The Cardinals have the offense to make a run. Pitching is an issue. The Cardinals are 23rd in quality starts. As weak of a stat as it is, our pitchers are among the worst in baseball at achieving this mediocre stat. This isn't a tell-all, Boston is worse then us by a start, but for a Dave Duncan team, this is really a shit result.

Rasmus-watch, 0-4 4 left on base, and 0-2 with RISP. Back to .231 with the new club, and .244 on the season.

tkihshbt · 8/12/2011 9:59 am

Toronto wasn't stealing very good signs this week because they laid a pretty big egg against Oakland.

forsberg_us · 8/12/2011 10:13 am

"For their midseason fix, the Brewers went out and got K-Rod--when we were the team that needed help! We got Dotel and HWNCBP. That's just classic Mozeliak half-measures."

Actually Dotel + Rzepcynski > K-Rod. K-Rod has name recognition, but his stuff has greatly diminished in the last couple of years. At the time of the trade, K-Rod's WHIP was 1.41 and his BAA was .265. Dotel's WHIP was 1.09 and his BAA was .187. Rzepcynski's WHIP was 1.09 and his BAA was .201 (and his numbers against lefties were even better).

APIAD · 8/12/2011 10:53 am

artie_fufkin wrote:
Four games out and we're pulling the chute on the season?

The plane isnt onfire but it is smoking pretty bad. The Cardinals helped control the damage by winning last night but if the Brewers dont go into a slump the Cardinals are done. I dont like having to hope another team fails in order to see the Cardinals make the playoffs. They could have controled it themselfs if tey would have won this series. Now they are behind te eight ball.

Max · 8/14/2011 11:45 pm

Max wrote:
With tonight's performance, Albert is now 28, 72, and .284, and I think his chance to repeat 30, 100, .300 is probably better than 50-50 now, though .300 might be close.

29/75/.288

the chance that this year is a WAY off year, and that Pujols cannot command a monster payday is going down.

tkihshbt · 8/15/2011 7:06 am

His last three months:

.317/.419/.778
.295/.330/.625
.294/.339/.569

So yeah, he's going to make some money.

Max · 8/15/2011 7:52 am

OMFG, a new record for LONGEST home run at Busch III!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"ST. LOUIS (AP)—Albert Pujols’ 465-foot home run got the St. Louis Cardinals started. The bullpen made sure the longest drive at six-year-old Busch Stadium was not wasted."

There is plenty to be excited about over these next six weeks.

Will Albert the Great be able to hit an even LONGER homerun?

Should long home runs count for MORE runs than regular home runs?

Discuss . . .

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Max · 8/15/2011 8:12 am

tkihshbt wrote:
His last three months:

.317/.419/.778
.295/.330/.625
.294/.339/.569

So yeah, he's going to make some money.

sounds like you're being facetious, but if he hits 30/100/.300 for the 11th year in a row, he is going to make PILES of money.

tkihshbt · 8/15/2011 10:14 am

I'm not being facetious. He's been on a tear for the past three months with a broken wrist thrown in for good measure. The Machine is still The Machine.

alz · 8/15/2011 10:49 am

Someone posted they let him go and lament him hitting 500 and 3000 with another uniform.

I'm curious what the lament will be if he hits 800.... It's not too crazy to think, 7 avg seasons and 2 seasons with him getting 25 HR's per, and he'd be at 774.

forsberg_us · 8/15/2011 12:42 pm

"I'm curious what the lament will be if he hits 800.... It's not too crazy to think, 7 avg seasons and 2 seasons with him getting 25 HR's per, and he'd be at 774."

Pujols is about 80 HRs behind A-Rod at the same age. A-Rod isn't anywhere near 800, and he has 13 HRs this season.

alz · 8/15/2011 1:32 pm

Edit: Removed due to irritation.

Summary will suffice.
I don't care how "likely" you think it is, I'm asking how it will go over if it happens.

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forsberg_us · 8/15/2011 3:03 pm

"I'm asking how it will go over if it happens."

Some people won't be happy, but if the team is successful without Pujols I don't think the uproar will be as significant as you might think. It will be worse if the team isn't successful without Pujols.

My opinion, I still think Pujols re-signs with the Cardinals and I don't think he gets anywhere near 800 HRs. Quite honestly, I doubt he gets to 700.

Max · 8/15/2011 5:13 pm

alz wrote:
Edit: Removed due to irritation.

Summary will suffice.
I don't care how "likely" you think it is, I'm asking how it will go over if it happens.

The St. Louis memorial to Bill DeWitt, Jr.

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Max · 8/15/2011 5:22 pm

alz wrote:
Edit: Removed due to irritation.

Summary will suffice.
I don't care how "likely" you think it is, I'm asking how it will go over if it happens.

John Mozeliak's farewell party:

Max · 8/16/2011 1:52 am

six games back and six weeks to go. we are going the wrong direction. very hard to get excited about our playoff chances.

what other individual stats can we root for?

alz · 8/16/2011 7:33 am

Thome hit 600, class guy, class act.

Fors I think you're wrong about 700, but it will be many moons before I can prove that to you, so we'll see.

forsberg_us · 8/16/2011 8:11 am

I may well be. Then again, everyone assumed A-Rod was going to someday pass Bonds when he had 518 HR and was only 31. He still might, but it's far from being certain.

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