Well shit, the pitching lineups are vastly different then what I saw on yahoo sports yesterday. my shit needs to be rethought.

Game 1, 4:07 p.m. Saturday: Roy Halladay (19-6) vs. Kyle Lohse (14-8)
Game 2, 7:07 p.m. Sunday: Cliff Lee (17-8) vs. Edwin Jackson (5-2)
Game 3, time TBA: Cole Hamels (14-9) vs. Chris Carpenter (11-9)

What's games 4,5 like? Or is that unknown?

alz wrote:

Well shit, the pitching lineups are vastly different then what I saw on yahoo sports yesterday. my shit needs to be rethought.

Game 1, 4:07 p.m. Saturday: Roy Halladay (19-6) vs. Kyle Lohse (14-8)
Game 2, 7:07 p.m. Sunday: Cliff Lee (17-8) vs. Edwin Jackson (5-2)
Game 3, time TBA: Cole Hamels (14-9) vs. Chris Carpenter (11-9)

What's games 4,5 like? Or is that unknown?

Game 4 is probably Oswalt v. Garcia. If the Phils are down, 2 games to 1, I'd imagine Manuel might bring back Halladay.
Game 5 probably starts with Lohse, with all hands on deck.

alz wrote:

Well shit, the pitching lineups are vastly different then what I saw on yahoo sports yesterday. my shit needs to be rethought.

Game 1, 4:07 p.m. Saturday: Roy Halladay (19-6) vs. Kyle Lohse (14-8)
Game 2, 7:07 p.m. Sunday: Cliff Lee (17-8) vs. Edwin Jackson (5-2)
Game 3, time TBA: Cole Hamels (14-9) vs. Chris Carpenter (11-9)

What's games 4,5 like? Or is that unknown?

FWIW, my thought is that IF they go with Carp in game 2, it will be a last minute under the radar thing, a "surprise" that was not whispered to the media, but which la russa and carp had known and discussed well-beforehand.

"my point was the amount of appearances Hescheiser made in the '88 playoffs."

I seriously doubt you'd ever see anyone repeat Herscheiser's '88 playoff workload.  He pitched 8.1 innings in Game 1 of the LCS, pitched 7 innings on 3 days rest in Game 3 (I assume a rain out pushed them back a day), worked a third of an inning and picked up a Save in Game 4, then pitched a complete game shutout in Game 7, three days after earning the save (two days rest).  He then started Game 2 of the World Series on 3 days rest and Game 5 on 3 days rest, pitching complete games in both. 

In 1990, Hersheiser had shoulder surgery after making only 4 starts. 

Before the surgery, Hersheiser's stats were:

99-65, 2.71 ERA

After surgery:

105-85, 4.17 ERA

forsberg_us wrote:

(although it wasn't under the radar).

which begs the question of whether they will make a surprise switch and start jackson for game 2 if we win game 1.  again, way ahead of ourselves, but i like the idea of carp pitching for the series win in game 4, if it comes to that.

forsberg_us wrote:

"i like the idea of carp pitching for the series win in game 4,"

Now you've got him starting on 2 days rest???

reread carefully.

Max wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

"i like the idea of carp pitching for the series win in game 4,"

Now you've got him starting on 2 days rest???

reread carefully.

Oh, is that your Jackson-switch theory?  My bad.

Actually the link to Leach's blog offers a pretty good reason that I hadn't though of.  With an off-day after game 2 and another one after game 4, if Carpenter pitches game 2, he could start game 5 on regular (4 days) rest.  That being the case, starting Carpenter in Game 2 makes some sense.

artie_fufkin wrote:

tkihshbt wrote:

Bernie announced via Twitter that Carpenter is starting Game 2.

What a stupid idea.

rec.

forsberg_us wrote:

Max wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

"i like the idea of carp pitching for the series win in game 4,"

Now you've got him starting on 2 days rest???

reread carefully.

Oh, is that your Jackson-switch theory?  My bad.

Actually the link to Leach's blog offers a pretty good reason that I hadn't though of.  With an off-day after game 2 and another one after game 4, if Carpenter pitches game 2, he could start game 5 on regular (4 days) rest.  That being the case, starting Carpenter in Game 2 makes some sense.

i think artie already brought that up.  still, i think that the outcome of game one is relevant.  i have a lot of confidence in garcia pitching game three, and that's the way i would manage the series.  thus, if we win game one, then i would manage game 2 as though we were going to be playing for the series at home, probably in game 4, and a rested carp would be a good bet.

Max wrote:

I am wondering if they might pull a surprise and have Carpenter pitch game 2 on short rest.  he has been so strong down the stretch I am pretty sure he'd be up for it, and he might even toss another gem.

Garcia's home away splits are so bad that they'd be fools to waste him on an away game.  I think garcia should be a lock for game 3. 

Lohse
Carpenter
Garcia
Jackson
Bullpen game (if necessary)

"Instead of starting Edwin Jackson in Game 2, as had been reported, La Russa said Chris Carpenter will start Sunday's Game 2 against the Phillies on short rest.  La Russa also said Jaime Garcia will start Tuesday's Game 3 at Busch Stadium. . . .

"No. 1, that's not something you take lightly," La Russa said. "As we've gotten into the season, he's gotten stronger and stronger.
"No. 2, he had the kind of game (in Houston) that was not a stressful game. I don't mean the score. His delivery was free and easy. He could have gone another 50 pitches. If you're looking for a sign whether to consider it, (that was the sign)."


Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/article_43423596-eb9a-11e0-ba12-001a4bcf6878.html#ixzz1ZT4XMT6M

Last edited by Max (9/30/2011 3:03 pm)

Max wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

From Pigpen

http://yourenotagolfer.mlblogs.com/2011/09/30/carpenter-to-pitch-game-2/


On an unrelated note, why is Westbrook on the playoff roster?  Why not a pitcher actually used to pitching in the bullpen?  Assuming Holliday and Furcal are on the roster, this team could really use an extra position player.  If they go with 12 pitchers, that's just dumb.

who chooses the roster?  la russa or mozeliak?

LaRussa, but I'm sure he consults people he respects within the organization. Whether he respects Moz is another matter.
Is Westbrook really on the roster? In what role? Hat-check girl?

artie_fufkin wrote:

Max wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

From Pigpen

http://yourenotagolfer.mlblogs.com/2011/09/30/carpenter-to-pitch-game-2/


On an unrelated note, why is Westbrook on the playoff roster?  Why not a pitcher actually used to pitching in the bullpen?  Assuming Holliday and Furcal are on the roster, this team could really use an extra position player.  If they go with 12 pitchers, that's just dumb.

who chooses the roster?  la russa or mozeliak?

LaRussa, but I'm sure he consults people he respects within the organization. Whether he respects Moz is another matter.
Is Westbrook really on the roster? In what role? Hat-check girl?

my point being that it would be a slap in the face to leave one of moz's marquis acquisitions off the roster.  just one more lingering benefit of the ludwick trade.

"In my opinion Lee is the most difficult pitcher they have. I'd rather we put our weakest against him, basically concede it, and bring the rain against the other 3."

The only problem with that is you're then counting on beating the guy who no-hit the Reds to open last year's NLDS.

I think you have to throw the best you can at Halladay and Lee, hope to steal one, and win the other games not pitched by Halladay and Lee.  This series has a very similar feel to the year we faced the D'Backs with Schilling and Johnson.  Problem is the D'Backs other pitcher(s) weren't nearly as good as Hamels and Oswalt.