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10/05/2011 10:32 am  #76


Re: 10/4 playoff gamecrap

Craig smoked the ball, but unfortunately it found Chase Utley.

Garcia was starting to break down a bit in the sixth inning. There were definitely some signs that his pitches were beginning to flatten out.

 

10/05/2011 10:32 am  #77


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Molina should have stopped that ball as well.  It is amazing that the small things are always what cost these games.

 

10/05/2011 10:39 am  #78


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I laugh when people rave about Molina's defense. He's got a hell of an arm, but he is still not what he should be at blocking balls. Sometimes he just doesn't make the play and then other times he's just lazily stabbing at the ball. It can be really frustrating.

 

10/05/2011 11:23 am  #79


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tkihshbt wrote:

I laugh when people rave about Molina's defense. He's got a hell of an arm, but he is still not what he should be at blocking balls. Sometimes he just doesn't make the play and then other times he's just lazily stabbing at the ball. It can be really frustrating.

I think he a great defensive catcher.  Or at least he could if he didnt lose focus.  I dont know how you lose focus in game 3 of the playoffs.  I have long said that he is over valued and should be traded.

 

10/05/2011 11:35 am  #80


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Garcia: In the 6th, he started missing his location at the bottom of the strike zone and began racking up balls on pitches that were obviously too low . . . no swings and misses on those.  Suddenly it moved all over the plate, inside pitches were way inside, outside pitches were way outside, high pitchers were way high.  He got through the 6th, but the warning signs were there.  Given a chance to score some runs in a 0-0 tie, I was kind of surprised La Russa didn't pinch hit for him.  Then he started the 7th with three straight balls, that's no swings and misses, of course.  This from a guy who had been aces through 5.  That AB ended badly with a lead-off single into shallow center. 

I totally don't buy into this idea that Garcia is made of cheap Mexican glue, however.  He got us through six in fine fashion in a very tense game when Hamels looked vulnerable but the Cardinal bats were not getting runs.  But where I am in total agreement with TK is that La Russa seemed to be managing this as if it were a game in July.  He was absolutely leaving his bullets on the bench, starting by leaving a pinch hitter on the bench on the 6th. 

Craig is a much tougher call.  Not sure what to do.  He smoked two groundballs, but BOTH would have been DPs if fair.  The infield was playing deep, defending against two runs, and getting any groundball through was going to be difficult.  Something should have been stamped on Craig's forehead: "don't hit a groundball!" and yet both times he made contact that's where it went.  He was asked to bunt earlier in September--we all remember him going down 0-2 and then jacking a home run.  Yes a suicide squeeze was risky, but we had speedy runners at third and second, and even a force play at home, leaving us with two outs and Pujols at the plate was WAY better than a DP.  The problem I have, is, as I posted seconds before it happened, the threat of a DP was hanging like a certainty at that moment, and it seemed even more certain after that first groundball that went just foul on the third base side.

 

10/05/2011 11:42 am  #81


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forsberg_us wrote:

"On the other hand, with one out, go for the suicide squeeze and the worst that happens is that Pujols comes to the plate with the bases loaded and two outs, Pujols at that point having two doubles, a single, and fly out (his next AB was another double, FWIW)."

What if Craig misses the bunt?  Runner is out, now you have 2 on, 2 out and Craig is still at the plate.

But at least the runner's would be at 2nd and 3rd and the threat of the DP would be lessened.  Seriously, yes it's a tough call, but Pujols was on deck, he was on fire, and Craig took the bat out of his hand with an ill-advised swing.  Several Turkey Awards to hand out for yesterday's performance, but Craig gets one of 'em.

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10/05/2011 11:52 am  #82


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"He was asked to bunt earlier in September--we all remember him going down 0-2 and then jacking a home run."

So his only effort to bunt resulted in failure, and somehow that supports the idea of asking him to bunt with the bases loaded?

Also Max, if you're intent is to get Pujols to bat with runners in scoring position, the squeeze virtually ensures that DOES NOT happen.  If Craig is successful, the run scores, the other runners move up to 2nd and 3rd with 2 out.  You think Philly pitches to Pujols with 1st base open?

A successful squeeze likely takes the bat out of Pujols' hands.

You let Craig bat, hope like hell he doesn't hit into a double play and slam your cap when he does.  But you can't bunt in that situation.

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10/05/2011 11:55 am  #83


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forsberg_us wrote:

What if Craig misses the bunt?  Runner is out, now you have 2 on, 2 out and Craig is still at the plate.

Max wrote:

But at least the runner's would be at 2nd and 3rd and the threat of the DP would be lessened.

The threat of the DP is eliminated once the second out is made.

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10/05/2011 12:14 pm  #84


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"people were clamoring for Larussa's head."

I've subsequently read criticism of letting Garcia hit with two outs and two on in the bottom of the sixth. Again, Garcia had given up three hits (I think) and no runs at that point. The bullpen has been mostly shite this year.
If he yanks Garcia with two outs in the top of the seventh and the reliever gives up a hit, I'd suggest many of the same people who are calling in to radio stations about leaving Garcia in there would be criticizing LaRussa for taking him out when his pitch count was low and he hadn't been scored upon.
I still think if LaRussa erred in that game, it was walking Ruiz, and you can make an argument for that decision because Ruiz already had a hit in the game and after Pence he had the highest batting average on the team during the regular season.
But Ruiz hit righties better than lefties this year, and he was 0-for-8 in the first two games of the series and 1-for-his-last-21. The only reason you walk Ruiz is to force Manuel to make a decision about Hamels, and with his high pitch count, he wasn't going to hit.

 

10/05/2011 12:29 pm  #85


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"Something should have been stamped on Craig's forehead: "don't hit a groundball!" and yet both times he made contact that's where it went."

Max, if hitting was easy, don't you think he'd hit a home run every time? Or at least a line drive?
An anecdote (there's always an anecdote, isn't there?) comes to mind. One of the teams I played on was playing a game at a field near Boston College. In the outfield, there were a bunch of people unfamiliar with baseball (read: miserable Russians) playing a pickup soccer game. There's no fence. The batter sends a 400-foot bomb that scatters the soccer players. Before the ball comes to a stop, one of the soccer players picks it up, and - throwing like a girl - chucks it in the general direction of the infield, yelling "Heet thee ball on thee ground, dooshbags!!" We had to stop the game we were laughing so hard, but the moral of the story is, if you could hit a baseball where you wanted to every time, you would. Unfortunately, the pitcher sometimes determines the outcome.

 

10/05/2011 12:30 pm  #86


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"A successful squeeze likely takes the bat out of Pujols' hands."

Since he was already 3-for-4 in the game, I think you can safely remove the "likely" qualifier.

 

10/05/2011 12:34 pm  #87


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Any complaints about leaving a starter in too long in the playoffs is silly.

And Garcia wasn't really cruising to that point, either. In the sixth Hamels smoked a liner into the gap, he had problems putting away Rollins and Utley worked him over pretty good. And the passed balls were clearly starting to unnerve him.

I know the bullpen has been rough, but Octavio Dotel has been murder on right-handed batters and Fernando Salas has given up three hits in the last two weeks. You have to faith that one of those two can put down Victorino, Mayberry and Polanco. Heck, had he gone to Dotel or Salas for the seventh/eighth innings, you've got Scrabble ready for Rollins/Utley, then Motte for Pence/Howard. Maybe they don't retire them all in order, but this bullpen is good enough to take care of the Phillies lineup.

 

10/05/2011 12:43 pm  #88


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TK, I agree there's a valid argument for pinch-hitting for Garcia in the sixth. What I'm suggesting is the anti-LaRussa crowd that's criticizing him for letting him hit would be criticizing him if he took Garcia out and the bullpen imploded.

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10/05/2011 12:59 pm  #89


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Oh sure. No arguments there. I don't think La Russa wins either way with some people.

 

10/05/2011 1:54 pm  #90


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Again, the only thing I might have done differently is not walking Ruiz. I hate the idea of walking the eighth-place hitter to pitch to a right-handed pinch-hitter in that situation.
Unless LaRussa didn't expect Manuel to send up a right-handed pinch-hitter. Then he ought to be managing a flower shop.

 

10/05/2011 3:29 pm  #91


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artie_fufkin wrote:

TK, I agree there's a valid argument for pinch-hitting for Garcia in the sixth. What I'm suggesting is the anti-LaRussa crowd that's criticizing him for letting him hit would be criticizing him if he took Garcia out and the bullpen imploded.

THAT's true.  But fortunately, we don't have any die hard anti-LaRussians among us, do we?

 

10/05/2011 6:46 pm  #92


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Max wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

TK, I agree there's a valid argument for pinch-hitting for Garcia in the sixth. What I'm suggesting is the anti-LaRussa crowd that's criticizing him for letting him hit would be criticizing him if he took Garcia out and the bullpen imploded.

THAT's true.  But fortunately, we don't have any die hard anti-LaRussians among us, do we?

Not since Mags stopped posting.

 

10/05/2011 7:28 pm  #93


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APRTW wrote:

Max wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

TK, I agree there's a valid argument for pinch-hitting for Garcia in the sixth. What I'm suggesting is the anti-LaRussa crowd that's criticizing him for letting him hit would be criticizing him if he took Garcia out and the bullpen imploded.

THAT's true.  But fortunately, we don't have any die hard anti-LaRussians among us, do we?

Not since Mags stopped posting.

and TK has never been 100% anti-LaRussian.  he's always preserved that 0.1% of doubt that sometimes La Russa might not be all horrible, even though he has 'had to go' for as many seasons as i can count.

 

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