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Re: Impromptu 9:00 a.m. Press Conference
artie_fufkin wrote:
I've tended to get more defensive about La Russa as the years have gone by. It's almost like a Mafia thing - we can rip the guy, but no one outside of the family can.
I will miss LaRussa, but more to the point, so will St. Louis. I don't think the Cardinals fans ever really understood what an advantage LaRussa gave the club. People in the locker room knew it, people in other towns knew it. They looked at results, and Tony had that pedigree. Everyone could see it but half of the fan faithful.
It seemed as if Whitey Herzog could do no wrong here.
11 Years (4 losing seasons)
822-738 (.527)
7 Winning Seasons (with him managing)
3 Postseason appearances
3 NLCS appearances
3 Pennants (World Series Appearances)
1 World Series Title
1985 Manager of the Year
Well Here's LaRussa
16 years (3 losing seasons)
1408-1182 (.544)
13 Winning seasons
9 Postseason appearances
7 NLCS appearances
3 Pennants (World Series Appearances)
2 World Series Titles
2002 Manager of the Year
(2011 Manager of the Year - I have to think it's either him or Roenicke in Milwaukee)
I'm not shitting on Whitey, but I will defend LaRussa against anyone that wants to take shots.
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"I have to think it's either him or Roenicke in Milwaukee"
If the BBWAA still votes on the basis of the regular season only, Gibson is probably the front-runner, but I digress.
Time has added to Herzog's legend, and people forget how he ultimately quit on the team, but Whitey's appeal was that he could make chicken salad out of chicken shit. He won a World Series and three pennants with two Hall of Famers, one of whom couldn't hit water if he fell out of a friggin' boat, and the other wasn't on the '85 or '87 teams.
And those last two pennants were at the expense of the Mets, which at the time were the evil doers from Gotham.
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"2011 Manager of the Year - I have to think it's either him or Roenicke in Milwaukee"
Kirk Gibson in Arizona has to get strong consideration.
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As compelling as Gibby's case is, I don't see where anyone can put him ahead of Roenicke.
1st year manager, Division crown, NLCS appearance courtesy of a head to head beating of Gibby...
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Manager of the Year is voted before the playoffs begin, so it's not taken into consideration. Plus, Gibson wasn't much different than Roenicke, except he managed half the 2010 season.
Melvin should get Executive of the Year and Gibson should be Manager of the Year.
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Re: Impromptu 9:00 a.m. Press Conference
Duncan said he does not want to manage.
Hillary said she doesn't want to be president.
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Duncan wants to be pitching coach, but on his terms
I'm sure this part didn't endear him to Jose Oquendo, although in fairness, the quote attributed to Duncan doesn't mention "major league" experience.
"Duncan told WXOS he prefers the Cardinals hire a successor with major-league managerial experience, "an experienced guy they feel can go out and manage a winning team.""
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As the only pitching coach in the history of the game with a reasonable chance to go to Cooperstown, he has the right to shoot from the hip. None of this says to me he wouldn't take the manager's job if it was offered to him. It says, the next guy had better be someone he respects.
I also thought it was cool that La Russa had confided in him that this year was likely to be the last, AND that Duncan didn't breathe a hint of that. That's Loyal like Muhammed's five favorite mares. But Duncan did let one thing slip: ""It didn't surprise me that much because the last couple years he had hinted toward wanting to get away from the managing part of the game and finding something else of interest in the game." . . . I'm guessin' that ain't signing baseball cards at trade shows.
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"Duncan said he didn't expect the next manager to disrupt the clubhouse culture. "Any manager who reaches that status is going to be smart enough to go in there and bring his thoughts and ideas to the team," Duncan said. "Nobody is going to come in there and do anything that is going to revolutionize the game of baseball. ... I think whoever they bring in here is going to be a solid guy."
Read: "If you hire Bobby Valentine, I walk ..."
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Cardinals get permission to talk to Sandberg
Could you imagine the outcry in Cub-land if the Cardinals hired Ryno?
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Cardinals get permission to talk to Sandberg
Could you imagine the outcry in Cub-land if the Cardinals hired Ryno?
Do you suppose Sandberg crosses Duncan's threshold of someone with major league managerial experience?
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