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11/07/2011 7:58 am  #1


How bad will the Penn St. tragedy get?

This sounds really, really bad, and should serve as an illustration of how powerful people can have some very serious character flaws and not be held responsible . . . at least for a long, long time.

"Another child, known only as a boy about 11 to 13, was seen by a janitor pinned against a wall while Sandusky performed oral sex on him in fall 2000, the grand jury said."

In 2000?!?  You or I would be 11 years into our jail term if similar evidence against us was available.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/07/tim-curley-george-schultz-penn-state-abuse-scandal-resign_n_1079093.html

 

11/07/2011 9:47 am  #2


Re: How bad will the Penn St. tragedy get?

I almost think it's time to scrap the whole college athletics dynamic. It makes no sense in the first place, and there are just too many evil people involved.

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11/07/2011 10:17 am  #3


Re: How bad will the Penn St. tragedy get?

artie_fufkin wrote:

I almost think it's time to scrap the whole college athletics dynamic. It makes no sense in the first place, and there are just too many evil people involved.

What is the "college athetics dynamic"?

 

11/07/2011 10:23 am  #4


Re: How bad will the Penn St. tragedy get?

Max wrote:

This sounds really, really bad, and should serve as an illustration of how powerful people can have some very serious character flaws and not be held responsible . . . at least for a long, long time.

"Another child, known only as a boy about 11 to 13, was seen by a janitor pinned against a wall while Sandusky performed oral sex on him in fall 2000, the grand jury said."

In 2000?!?  You or I would be 11 years into our jail term if similar evidence against us was available.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/07/tim-curley-george-schultz-penn-state-abuse-scandal-resign_n_1079093.html

You or I might have been in jail, but if he was a Catholic priest, he'd probably be on "sabbatical" in Italy or some other vacation hot spot.

 

11/07/2011 11:04 am  #5


Re: How bad will the Penn St. tragedy get?

APRTW wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

I almost think it's time to scrap the whole college athletics dynamic. It makes no sense in the first place, and there are just too many evil people involved.

What is the "college athetics dynamic"?

The whole setup, AP. College is supposed to be about education, not which school has the best football program.
It's like if you own a dairy farm, and you glean the most pride from the cow manure.

 

11/07/2011 1:13 pm  #6


Re: How bad will the Penn St. tragedy get?

Probably gonna be some "lack of institutional control" surface here................

 

11/07/2011 1:44 pm  #7


Re: How bad will the Penn St. tragedy get?

don.rob11 wrote:

Probably gonna be some "lack of institutional control" surface here................

Yeah, they'll probably lose a half-dozen scholarships for kids who could really use them. But the football coaches will have to limit phone calls to recruits to between 7:15 a.m. and 7:15 p.m. on days that end in 'Y,' or some other draconian punishment that doesn't even come close to addressing the real problem of how everyone else looks the other way a pedophile ends up running a youth program.

 

11/07/2011 6:36 pm  #8


Re: How bad will the Penn St. tragedy get?

artie_fufkin wrote:

APRTW wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

I almost think it's time to scrap the whole college athletics dynamic. It makes no sense in the first place, and there are just too many evil people involved.

What is the "college athetics dynamic"?

The whole setup, AP. College is supposed to be about education, not which school has the best football program.
It's like if you own a dairy farm, and you glean the most pride from the cow manure.

I agree but college isnt the only level that students can get by with just playing a sport.

 

11/08/2011 10:08 am  #9


Re: How bad will the Penn St. tragedy get?

forsberg_us wrote:

Max wrote:

This sounds really, really bad, and should serve as an illustration of how powerful people can have some very serious character flaws and not be held responsible . . . at least for a long, long time.

"Another child, known only as a boy about 11 to 13, was seen by a janitor pinned against a wall while Sandusky performed oral sex on him in fall 2000, the grand jury said."

In 2000?!?  You or I would be 11 years into our jail term if similar evidence against us was available.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/07/tim-curley-george-schultz-penn-state-abuse-scandal-resign_n_1079093.html

You or I might have been in jail, but if he was a Catholic priest, he'd probably be on "sabbatical" in Italy or some other vacation hot spot.

Great.  So now college athletics has fallen to the level of the Catholic Church!

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11/08/2011 10:14 am  #10


Re: How bad will the Penn St. tragedy get?

artie_fufkin wrote:

APRTW wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

I almost think it's time to scrap the whole college athletics dynamic. It makes no sense in the first place, and there are just too many evil people involved.

What is the "college athetics dynamic"?

The whole setup, AP. College is supposed to be about education, not which school has the best football program.
It's like if you own a dairy farm, and you glean the most pride from the cow manure.

At UCLA (and to a lesser extent at U of I), athletics is like a combination of all Washington political lobbies, with the alumni and the medical school being the only other lobbies of any import.  (And AP, this is a bad thing, overall, for undergraduate education).

But at Wash. U., and when I taught at a Division III school in Iowa, I thought college athletics was really inspiring, really impressive.

So, when you strip the profit from it, it's kind of cool.

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11/08/2011 12:16 pm  #11


Re: How bad will the Penn St. tragedy get?

This has the potential to be a career defining, career ending 'lapse of judgement' by the winningest coach in college football history.  That will make an interesting plaque in the College Football Hall of Fame.

Honestly, if this is as bad as it sounds, and if this were a Fortune 500 company, I think Penn State would be facing ENORMOUS, institution ending, punitive damages. 

"Let us first be blunt about the facts at hand, because some media outlets resort to the kind of euphemism that appallingly softens the blow of what Jerry Sandusky is alleged to have done to “Victim 2,��  as he is called in the grand-jury report Forgive my language, but here at the Beast we are permitted these very occasional lapses, so let me say it plainly, the better to ensure that we all understand just how shocking and sickening this is: On the evening of March 1, 2002, Sandusky, it is alleged, was raping a 10-year-old boy in his anus. A 10-year-old boy. In the very showers used by the Nittany Lions players. A boy Sandusky had seduced with promises of things like tickets to games and visits to the mighty Penn State locker room. A graduate assistant, also a former star quarterback and today still an assistant to Paterno, saw it and went to his father. His father told him to go not to the police, according to the report, but to Paterno. The great man would make it right."

http://news.yahoo.com/joe-paterno-fall-232900665.html

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11/08/2011 12:40 pm  #12


Re: How bad will the Penn St. tragedy get?

If what I'm reading was reported correctly, then Paterno did nothing more than he was obligated to do, which is notify his superiors. Stunning.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html

 

11/08/2011 3:03 pm  #13


Re: How bad will the Penn St. tragedy get?

"Paterno’s reach on campus extended well beyond the football program. He and his wife, Sue, have donated more than $4 million to the university. On campus, everything from an ice cream flavor at the Creamery to a library now bears his name."

I wonder what ice cream flavor they might create in order to name it for Jerry Sandusky?

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11/08/2011 7:41 pm  #14


Re: How bad will the Penn St. tragedy get?

Max wrote:

"Paterno’s reach on campus extended well beyond the football program. He and his wife, Sue, have donated more than $4 million to the university. On campus, everything from an ice cream flavor at the Creamery to a library now bears his name."

I wonder what ice cream flavor they might create in order to name it for Jerry Sandusky?

I just can't ...

 

11/09/2011 1:58 pm  #15


 

11/09/2011 2:35 pm  #16


Re: How bad will the Penn St. tragedy get?

Max wrote:

"Paterno’s reach on campus extended well beyond the football program. He and his wife, Sue, have donated more than $4 million to the university. On campus, everything from an ice cream flavor at the Creamery to a library now bears his name."

I wonder what ice cream flavor they might create in order to name it for Jerry Sandusky?

Peniscolada?

 

11/09/2011 5:08 pm  #17


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er . . . going.

"Paterno, 84, said Wednesday he will retire at the end of the season"

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11/09/2011 10:22 pm  #18


Re: How bad will the Penn St. tragedy get?

Max wrote:

er . . . going.

"Paterno, 84, said Wednesday he will retire at the end of the season"

Gone...fired...kaput

 

11/09/2011 10:24 pm  #19


Re: How bad will the Penn St. tragedy get?

forsberg_us wrote:

Max wrote:

er . . . going.

"Paterno, 84, said Wednesday he will retire at the end of the season"

Gone...fired...kaput

toast

 

11/10/2011 3:29 am  #20


Re: How bad will the Penn St. tragedy get?

Joe: I'd like to go out on my own terms.
Them: We'd like you out now.
Joe: I'll clear out my desk after the season
Them: The contents will be on your lawn by 5 pm.

Chalk one up for Penn St. and Uncle Joe for making a dignified exit.

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11/10/2011 8:32 am  #21


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"Chalk one up for Penn St. and Uncle Joe for making a dignified exit."

The Penn State trustees--yes.  But the media attacks directed toward the trustess during the press conference that followed were an embarrassment and the riots that followed are a bit of a black eye for the university.

 

11/10/2011 8:54 am  #22


Re: How bad will the Penn St. tragedy get?

I'm trying to think if anyone's legacy has turned 180 degrees faster than Paterno's. Maybe O.J. Simpson's, but Simpson already had the stain of attending 'SC on his record.

 

11/10/2011 8:57 am  #23


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"dignified"

There's a word I'd not yet seen associated with this situation. I hope Paterno, the president of the univeristy and especially that assistant coach who made all this happen end up in prison, so they can experience anal rape.

 

11/10/2011 9:23 am  #24


Re: How bad will the Penn St. tragedy get?

artie_fufkin wrote:

I'm trying to think if anyone's legacy has turned 180 degrees faster than Paterno's. Maybe O.J. Simpson's, but Simpson already had the stain of attending 'SC on his record.

To me it seems like Paterno is just getting guilt by association.  I dont know how long the ill media remarks will last.  Plus he is 84.  How much of his legacy does we have left to see through his own eyes.

 

11/10/2011 10:12 am  #25


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I don't know shit about the situation honestly. It's a shame to see Paterno burn for it, but then again, the allegations were quite felonous, so I can understand people expecting him to do more then "I told my boss, as I was required to do".

I dislike that this will be what a lot of people remember from Paterno, which is a shame because he was coaching when Eisenhower was president.

 

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