artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

"- Latos deal seemed to be a "fit of frustration" by Jocketty.  Jocketty seemed desperate to make a deal and gave up too much to get Latos."

Strauss is crazy. TTTIB will win 101 games and is World Series bound.

And Latos will go 21 - 2, but lose the Cy Young to Cueto who will win 30.

And Cueto loses the MVP to Jay Bruce, who goes .427/74/192.

And the Reds inexplicably get no hit in Game 1 of the LDS by Joe Blanton who is forced to start when Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee and Cole Hamels are abducted by a member of the Taliban disguised as a Cincinnati taxi driver.

artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

And Cueto loses the MVP to Jay Bruce, who goes .427/74/192.

And the Reds inexplicably get no hit in Game 1 of the LDS by Joe Blanton who is forced to start when Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee and Cole Hamels are abducted by a member of the Taliban disguised as a Cincinnati taxi driver.

Now that's just unrealistic.

True. Everyone knows that Hezbullah outnumbers the Taliban in Cincy.

Some guy from Y! is saying the Cards and Coco Crisp are negotiating.

tkihshbt wrote:

Just give Beltran 3 years and get this over with.

rec.

realistically, do they have a better risk to put their money on in the next 3 years?  Two years is a slam dunk for Beltran.  Three is like, WTF, rather than go into 2012 with Holliday, Jay, and Schu.  Yes, we'll find places to bat Beltran in the next three years providing he's healthy, and if he ain;t, fuck it, it's a parking ticket.

forsberg_us wrote:

- Market regressing for Fielder.  Boras is a proponent to exploring free agency early and often.  If a long term deal doesn't materialize, he could seek a much shorter deal 2-3 years, and the Cardinals could kick the tires.  Seattle is the main player and Fielder doesn't want to go there because he's from Orlando and it's too far from home.  Cubs are supposedly not in the hunt.

- Cardinals could finish the Beltran deal with a single phone call, but may be waiting to see what happens with Fielder.  The won't wait too much longer to see what happens with Fielder.  Beltran and Berkman are close and Berkman has been in contact.  Something in the $10-11M range.  Lozano wants 3 years, Cardinals seem comfortable at 2.

I wouldnt rush Beltran if there is any chance the Cardinals can grab Feilder for 2 or 3 years.  I dont even know what his market would be on that short of contract.  Fielder would be a perfect fit to replace Pujols and not lose a thing.

"I dont even know what his market would be on that short of contract."

The Cardinals offered Pujols 5/130 ($26M/year).  My guess is that's about where Boras would be looking (money, not years). It would make Fielder the highest paid (AAV) first baseman in baseball.

Last edited by forsberg_us (12/20/2011 10:10 am)

forsberg_us wrote:

"I dont even know what his market would be on that short of contract."

The Cardinals offered Pujols 5/130 ($26M/year).  My guess is that's about where Boras would be looking (money, not years). It would make Fielder the highest paid (AAV) first baseman in baseball.

2-3 years at 26million!  Yes please.  3y/78mill or 2y/52mill is well within the Cardinals reach.  Plus any ground the Cardinals lost with Pujols leaving would be made up for.  With the money coming off the books next year and the extra cash from the world series the Cards should think twice about that contract.  You simple cant go wrong with a 2 or 3 year contract on someone Fielders age and putting up his numbers.  27 year old, a lock for 30 plus hrs and while fat doesnt go on the DL.

Last edited by APRTW (12/20/2011 10:53 am)

Max wrote:

APRTW wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

"I dont even know what his market would be on that short of contract."

The Cardinals offered Pujols 5/130 ($26M/year).  My guess is that's about where Boras would be looking (money, not years). It would make Fielder the highest paid (AAV) first baseman in baseball.

2-3 years at 26million!  Yes please.  3y/78mill or 2y/52mill is well within the Cardinals reach.  Plus any ground the Cardinals lost with Pujols leaving would be made up for.  With the money coming off the books next year and the extra cash from the world series the Cards should think twice about that contract.  You simple cant go wrong with a 2 or 3 year contract on someone Fielders age and putting up his numbers.  27 year old, a lock for 30 plus hrs and while fat doesnt go on the DL.

Slow down there a minute AP.  Suppose Beltran gets $36/3.  You would rather have fat-ass golf-swing, than Beltran AND another $14 M per year for the next three years?!?  That's equivalent to another front-line starting pitcher, or a star middle infielder.

Fielder may be a fat slob but he can rake.  A 3 year contract is great.  I cant believe that is the market if true.  His production is going to be at it highest and injury risk at there lowest over the next 3 years.  Beltran is a huge injury risk as is Berkman, Freese and Furcal. 

Signing fielder would move Berkman back to right field and Jay and Skip at CF.  There are pros and cons to that but locking up a cleanup hitter for 3 years makes the Cardinals competitive and adds a ton of market value to the team.  With Beltran they will still be searching for production and stablity.

alz wrote:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=AiC.Lg8PgORFJUdrbPxxkVSFCLcF?slug=ycn-10731053

I'm still trying to understand why we don't make Madsen a 2-3 year deal. He could probably be bought relatively cheaply. Nobody else is really going for him.

"Note: This article was written by a Yahoo! contributor. Sign up here to start publishing your own sports content."

The market for Madson has crashed? Is that so? The market for quality pitching NEVER crashes.
I tend to put no weight in these stories written by "Yahoo contributors." They're really nothing more than journal entries.

Last edited by artie_fufkin (12/22/2011 1:19 pm)

I didn't notice the Yahoo Contributor. I'm sitting here imagining a bullpen that finishes with Madsen/Motte or vice versa, and that is simply terrifying to have to deal with as an opponent.
I'd give it a look personally, and see what he'd take to be a Cardinal. This is also the predicting the next move thread, where nothing I say has to be factual! I think Madsen is probably a stronger closer than Pappelbon in 2012, and Philly was stupid to let him go.

If you're not going to generate runs, you better be able to win tight games. One or the other, but I'm a lot more confident giving Madsen 11 million than I would be paying Beltran.