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Its alittle creepy that the 18 was married to a 58 year old but you have to give the mother credit. I dont think she needs a man in the house. I like that the second intruder is getting charged with the death of the first.
Authorities don't plan to file charges against an 18-year-old Oklahoma widow who fatally shot a New Year's Eve intruder at her house while she had a 911 dispatcher on the phone.
However, the intruder's alleged accomplice has been charged with murder in connection with the death.
Sarah McKinley was in her mobile home with her 3-month-old son on New Year's Eve in Blanchard, Okla., when Justin Martin, 24, broke in with a large hunting knife, NBC station KFOR reported.
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When she asked if she was allowed to shoot the intruder if he broke through the door, a 911 operator told her, "Well, you have to do whatever you can do to protect yourself ... I can't tell you that you can do that but you do what you have to do to protect your baby."
Oklahoma law allows the use of deadly force against intruders, and prosecutors said McKinley clearly acted in self-defense. According to court documents, Martin was holding a knife when he died.
"Our initial review of the case doesn't indicate she violated the law in any way," Assistant District Attorney James Walters told The Oklahoman newspaper.
Prosecutors have charged his alleged accomplice, 29-year-old Dustin Louis Stewart, with first-degree murder. According to authorities, Stewart was with Martin but ran away from McKinley's home after hearing the gunshots.
"When you're engaged in a crime such as first-degree burglary and a death results from the events of that crime, you're subject to prosecution for it," Walters said.
Stewart was arraigned Wednesday and was being held in the Grady County jail. A bond hearing was set for Thursday. His attorney, Stephen Buzin, did not immediately respond to a message left at his office Wednesday night.
Dustin Louis Stewart, 29, has been charged with first-degree murder.
According to court documents, Martin and Stewart might have been looking for prescription drugs used by McKinley's husband Kenneth, 58, who died on Christmas Day after being hospitalized with complications from lung cancer.
McKinley said it took the men about 20 minutes to get through her door, which she had barricaded with a couch.
•911 to teen mom who killed intruder: 'Protect your baby'
McKinley told KFOR-TV the slain intruder had also showed up at her door on Dec. 29, the day of her husband's funeral.
When he came again on New Year's Eve, she said she grabbed her son and "walked over and got the 12-gauge, went in the bedroom and got the pistol and put the bottle in his mouth and then I called 911," she told KOCO.
The 911 operator asked McKinley to confirm that her doors were locked. The young mother said yes, and asked if it was all right for her to shoot the man if he were to enter her house, KOCO reported.
McKinley said she asked the dispatcher, "I've got two guns in my hand -- is it OK to shoot him if he comes in this door? I'm here by myself with my infant baby, can I please get a dispatcher out here immediately?"
'I shot him'
The 911 conversation lasted for 21 minutes. Then the door gave in. Martin charged at McKinley with his knife, but she said she shot at him before he could get to her.
"I waited till he got in the door. They said I couldn't shoot him until he was inside the house. So I waited until he got in the door and then I shot him," McKinley told KFOR.
The decision to shoot was difficult, she told KFOR. "There's nothing more dangerous than a mother with her baby. But I wouldn't have done it if it wasn't for him."
The Associated Press, NBC News and msnbc.com staff contributed to this report.=
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"Prosecutors have charged his alleged accomplice, 29-year-old Dustin Louis Stewart, with first-degree murder. According to authorities, Stewart was with Martin but ran away from McKinley's home after hearing the gunshots.
"When you're engaged in a crime such as first-degree burglary and a death results from the events of that crime, you're subject to prosecution for it," Walters said."
Now that's not going to stick ...
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I have never heard of it being charged like that but I like it. Normally what they are doing is used when say: APRTW and Artie hold up he 7-11. I dont want anyone to get hurt but my crazy buddy Artie flips out and kills someone. I get charged for being a part of it even though I didnt kill anyone.
I have never heard of first degree burglary either. How would one comitt second degree burglary?
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It absolutely will stick. Felony murder rule. If you are engaged in the commission of or acts in furtherance of a felony and someone dies, it's considered felony murder. It doesn't matter how or by whose hand the person dies.
AP, to answer your question, I can't say for certain under Oklahoma law, but in Missouri it's first degree burglary if the resident is home at the time of the burglary and 2nd degree burglary if the resident isn't home. Oklahoma may use a similar distinction.
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I have relatives in OK, and I am told that neither the authorities or the general populace have any tolerance for the standard type of criminal activity.
I look forward to hearing prison stories about the accomplice:
"What you in for?"
"First degree murder"
"Who'd you kill? How'd you do it?"
"My buddy and I were breaking into a house to get at a chick that he wanted to rape. The bitch had a gun and killed my buddy. That's when I ran away and got charged with murder."
"Well, welcome to prison, bitch."
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"It doesn't matter how or by whose hand the person dies."
Amplifying Max's scenario, what if while we're holding up the 7-Eleven, AP starts feeling a little peckish, decides to grab a bean burrito and chokes to death? Can I be prosecuted for first degree murder?
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artie_fufkin wrote:
"It doesn't matter how or by whose hand the person dies."
Amplifying Max's scenario, what if while we're holding up the 7-Eleven, AP starts feeling a little peckish, decides to grab a bean burrito and chokes to death? Can I be prosecuted for first degree murder?
It's a definition of crime that varies state by state. It sounds like Oklahoma doesn't put a lot of stock into Accessory based crimes, or lesser sentences of Accessory crimes. I guess it's a good thing the Atlanta Olympics weren't in Tulsa, Ray Lewis might have been electrocuted. I have a mixed emotion about this. On the one hand, I like it because if you're going to get together for gang crime, you're absolutely held accountable for any and all justice that results off your groups actions. On the other, if you have someone flip out while you're trying to rob a home, he see's a girl next door, saunters over there and rapes and murders the woman. It's pretty rough justice to say you should get the chair because you were trying to rip off a DVD player, and your homey went apeshit.
Still though, my sympathy for criminals is usually around a -17, and I'd need it to be at least at a +5 before I even thought about speaking out for mercy.
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artie_fufkin wrote:
"It doesn't matter how or by whose hand the person dies."
Amplifying Max's scenario, what if while we're holding up the 7-Eleven, AP starts feeling a little peckish, decides to grab a bean burrito and chokes to death? Can I be prosecuted for first degree murder?
No (I'll explain later).
Intellectual curiosity got the better of me, so I did a little research into this issue. In 1993, the Oklahoma Court of Appeals, interpreting the then-existing felony murder statute, concluded that the statute did not permit a conviction for felony murder unless the death was caused by the perpetrator or an accomplice. The facts in that case were the same as these, a co-defendant had been shot during a burglary by the homeowner. The defendant was convicted of felony murder and appealed In that case, the felony murder conviction was overturned based on the language of the statute.
In 1993, the Oklahoma felony murder statute stated as follows:
A person also commits the crime of murder in the first degree when he, regardless of malice, in the commission of forcible rape, robbery with a dangerous weapon, kidnapping, escape from lawful custody first degree burglary, first degree arson, unlawful distributing or dispensing of controlled dangerous substances, or trafficking in illegal drugs, takes the life of another.
After this case was decided, in 1996, the Oklahoma legislature amended the felony murder statute. Following the amendment, the statute read as follows:
A person also commits the crime of murder in the first degree, regardless of malice, when that person or any other person takes the life of a human being during, or if the death of a human being results from, the commission or attempted commission of forcible rape, robbery with a dangerous weapon, kidnapping, escape from lawful custody first degree burglary, first degree arson, unlawful distributing or dispensing of controlled dangerous substances, or trafficking in illegal drugs, takes the life of another.
In 2005, the Oklahoma Court of Appeals was presented with slightly different facts that again required an interpretation of the felony murder statute. In that case, the defendant's accomplice was shot and killed by police while attempting to escape following an armed robbery. In its decision affirming the conviction, the Court of Appeals cited the 1993 case and the 1996 amendment, specifically noting that the 1996 amendment was intended to cover any taking of a life by third persons, other than the alleged criminals, during the commission of one of the listed felonies. The defendant's life sentence was upheld.
Fast forward to 2012. Since we know the accomplice died, and we know his death was caused by the homeowner, the only question is whether or not the defendant was involved in the burglary and, if so, whether the burglary meets the requirements for first degree burglary. If so, the defendant is guilty of felony murder.
Turning back to your burrito scenario--no conviction. AP's death was caused by the burrito (more specifically, his own failure to properly chew the burrito), not another person. It doesn't fit the statute.
Here's a trickier scenario. You and AP decide to hold up the 7-11. You find the clerk wearing a Tebow jersey and you threaten to kill him. The clerk, fearful of a psychotic Raiders fan, has a heart attack and dies. You guilty of felony murder? Reading the statute, I'd say more probable than not the answer is "Yes."
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forsberg_us wrote:
It absolutely will stick. Felony murder rule. If you are engaged in the commission of or acts in furtherance of a felony and someone dies, it's considered felony murder. It doesn't matter how or by whose hand the person dies.
AP, to answer your question, I can't say for certain under Oklahoma law, but in Missouri it's first degree burglary if the resident is home at the time of the burglary and 2nd degree burglary if the resident isn't home. Oklahoma may use a similar distinction.
In IL your options are Burglary, Residental Burglary and Home invasion.
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Interesting stuff fors. I never put much thought into such situations. IL supreme court ruled two case in 2006 that were basicly the same as what has been mentioned in this thread. One difference was that in both cases the would be victims were off duty cops. On both occasions the off duty cop shot one of the suspects and the other got convicted of murder. Talk about a crime gone bad. Can you imagen trying to rob someone, them pulling a gun and blowing away your buddy and then your getting arrested for killing your buddy? Even better in one of the cases the guy charged with his crook buddies murder never even got out of the car.
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APRTW wrote:
forsberg_us wrote:
It absolutely will stick. Felony murder rule. If you are engaged in the commission of or acts in furtherance of a felony and someone dies, it's considered felony murder. It doesn't matter how or by whose hand the person dies.
AP, to answer your question, I can't say for certain under Oklahoma law, but in Missouri it's first degree burglary if the resident is home at the time of the burglary and 2nd degree burglary if the resident isn't home. Oklahoma may use a similar distinction.In IL your options are Burglary, Residental Burglary and Home invasion.
I'll choose home invasion for $500, Ap.
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forsberg_us wrote:
Turning back to your burrito scenario--no conviction. AP's death was caused by the burrito (more specifically, his own failure to properly chew the burrito), not another person. It doesn't fit the statute.
Now, to have a little more fun with this, let's suppose:
a) AP soils himself, and in a fit of panic, decides to commit suicide by intentionally choking on a burrito.
MURDER
b) AP soils himself, and in the process, loses control of his eating, chokes on a burrito and dies.
MURDER?
I'm guessing that an aggressive OK prosecutor might still go for murder, in the same way that the clerk/heart-attack victim could be construed as murder.
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alz wrote:
Still though, my sympathy for criminals is usually around a -17, and I'd need it to be at least at a +5 before I even thought about speaking out for mercy.
True story:
Off the top of my head, I have known at least three people involved with first degree murder. The one who I knew best, by far, was the older brother of what was one of my closest friends through jr. high and high school, and he was the only one of the three not found guilty of first degree murder.
Fact: he was part of a group of 4-5 teens who went to rob the house of a friend during the middle of the day, found the friend's younger brother hiding under a bed. the kid was taken to a nearby forest preserve and murdered. my friend's brother had gotten out of the car after taking the kid from the home, but before driving him to the forest preserve, reportedly saying: "this is too heavy for me". in the end he turned state's witness, was charged with kidnapping, was sentenced to six years in reform school, spent three years there, and has spent the past 30 years as law abiding tax payer, to the best of my knowledge.
Backstory: his dad was an alcoholic and a raging asshole, and had kicked my friend's brother out of the house at 15 years old. he had been living in a tree house at a friends for a few weeks or so at the time of the robbery that led to murder.
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"Here's a trickier scenario. You and AP decide to hold up the 7-11. You find the clerk wearing a Tebow jersey and you threaten to kill him. The clerk, fearful of a psychotic Raiders fan, has a heart attack and dies. You guilty of felony murder? Reading the statute, I'd say more probable than not the answer is "Yes."
In that scenario, I'm going to the chair. Prosecution can clearly make a case anyone who wears a Tebow jersey is of diminished capacity.
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Max wrote:
forsberg_us wrote:
Turning back to your burrito scenario--no conviction. AP's death was caused by the burrito (more specifically, his own failure to properly chew the burrito), not another person. It doesn't fit the statute.
Now, to have a little more fun with this, let's suppose:
a) AP soils himself, and in a fit of panic, decides to commit suicide by intentionally choking on a burrito.
MURDER
b) AP soils himself, and in the process, loses control of his eating, chokes on a burrito and dies.
MURDER?
I'm guessing that an aggressive OK prosecutor might still go for murder, in the same way that the clerk/heart-attack victim could be construed as murder.
I would say that just eating a burrito from a gas station is a suicide attempt.