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1/02/2012 1:01 pm  #1


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Did Gordon just grow a pair and stake out a proactive opinion, or is this just a rubber stamp for what should be a foregone conclusion for the Ram's FO?  I haven't been following any where near closely enough to know where things are at.

"Gordon: Fisher would toughen the Rams, quickly"

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/columns/jeff-gordon/gordon-fisher-would-toughen-the-rams-quickly/article_b1df3954-354b-11e1-9fdd-001a4bcf6878.html

 

1/02/2012 1:50 pm  #2


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It's far from a foregone conclusion because, as the story mentions, demand for Fisher will be high. Jacksonville is another rumored destination. But Fisher has been the "nom de jour" in St. Louis since Gruden nixed the notion that he could be talked out of the broadcaster's booth.

I'd call it simple restating public opinion. As opposed to Burwell who wrote last week that 10-38 wasn't a good enough reason to fire the coach because the players hadn't quit so he must be a good leader.

 

1/02/2012 3:36 pm  #3


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So, far from a foregone conclusion that the FO will be able to muster the resources to get Fisher, but an obvious suggestion?  That makes sense, but still shows a little bit more independence from Gordo than I expect.  A typical Jeff Gordon article would have been titled: Rams front office will make an intelligent choice to replace Spagnuola.

As for Burwell, I sense you trying to restart a debate.  Of the columnists, I think Burwell has earned my respect for:

1) being more independent from the St. Louis sports front offices than are Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum.

2) saw the Pujols debacle as I did.

3) can occasionally write a powerful human interest story, something Gordo and BM never even attempt. 

Of the reporters, I prefer Strauss.

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1/02/2012 4:47 pm  #4


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forsberg_us wrote:

It's far from a foregone conclusion because, as the story mentions, demand for Fisher will be high. Jacksonville is another rumored destination. But Fisher has been the "nom de jour" in St. Louis since Gruden nixed the notion that he could be talked out of the broadcaster's booth.

I'd call it simple restating public opinion. As opposed to Burwell who wrote last week that 10-38 wasn't a good enough reason to fire the coach because the players hadn't quit so he must be a good leader.

If the Rams want a guy who thinks an 8-8 record makes him a winner, there's always Tom Cable. Just watch out for the flying fists.

 

1/02/2012 9:10 pm  #5


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"1) being more independent from the St. Louis sports front offices than are Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum."

Ironic then that just this week Burwell was accused by a former Ram of being "on the take" when Burwell wrote his "Spagnuolo should keep his job" piece.

Burwell is an activist who happens to write.  The truth, logic or common sense are secondary to the cause de jour.

 

1/13/2012 3:17 pm  #6


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Well the Rams got their guy.  Apparently it came down to Miami offered more money but less control over organizational decisions whereas the Rams offered less money but greater control.

Now we see if it works.

 

3/10/2012 12:34 am  #7


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Rams trade down 4 spots, add a 2nd round pick and 1st rounders in 2013 and 2014.  Here's hoping they actually make intelligent picks.  They got quite a haul.

Thank you RG3 for having a great combine.

 

3/10/2012 3:05 pm  #8


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Wow. That's a big haul.
I'm almost certain this will backfire on the Redskins. Everything backfires on the Redskins.

 

3/10/2012 7:27 pm  #9


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Have to admit, I was glad the Redskins were in the mix. Snyder overpays for anyone he wants, so I figured the Rams would get a lot from someone.

It'll be interesting to see what's available for the Rams at #6. It's entirely possible that Trent Richardson is the best player available. If that's the case, the Rams may try to move down again. Goodness knows they need all the players they can get.

 

3/11/2012 4:14 pm  #10


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"It's entirely possible that Trent Richardson is the best player available."

I don't like 5-9 backs. They end up being third down backs in the NFL.
Unless Blackmon somehow drops to #6, I'd go for one of the two cornerbacks. You can build a pretty good defense out of Long, Laurianitis and one of those two corners.

 

3/13/2012 11:28 am  #11


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artie_fufkin wrote:

"It's entirely possible that Trent Richardson is the best player available."

I don't like 5-9 backs. They end up being third down backs in the NFL.
Unless Blackmon somehow drops to #6, I'd go for one of the two cornerbacks. You can build a pretty good defense out of Long, Laurianitis and one of those two corners.

If you're going for a little speed back who's goal is to make people miss and get upfield, LaMichael James is far better then Richardson in that regards. The knock on both is size, but if you're looking for the flash compliment to Stephen Jackson, you could likely trade down again and land James (A better back in my opinion).

 

3/13/2012 11:47 am  #12


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After Luck, Griffin and the OT from Southern Cal to the Vikings, there's really no consensus. I've seen mock drafts with Richardson as high as five and as low as 17.

 

3/13/2012 12:40 pm  #13


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I'm not a fan of shooting a top 5 draft pick with an offensive lineman. Not even Left Tackle. Give me a full line of average NFL lineman, and use the 1st rounders on the skill positions any day of the week.

Case in Point.... Jake Long over Matt Ryan, I still hate Miami for this.

 

3/13/2012 1:55 pm  #14


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alz wrote:

I'm not a fan of shooting a top 5 draft pick with an offensive lineman. Not even Left Tackle. Give me a full line of average NFL lineman, and use the 1st rounders on the skill positions any day of the week.

Case in Point.... Jake Long over Matt Ryan, I still hate Miami for this.

Interesting. I thought Long has been a stalwart for the Dolphins, but no matter. The conventional wisdom, of course, is O-line is a safer pick. If a JaMarcus Russell shits the bed, all you end up with is a bed full of shit. Robert Gallery wasn't the second coming of Art Shell like the Raiders had hoped for, but he turned into a serviceable offensive guard. I think you need at least two Pro Bowl-caliber offensive lineman, at left tackle and either right tackle or center. Left tackle is essential. Kurt Warner became Kurt Warner in part because he never had to worry about his blind side.
I hate to give the Patriots credit, but one of the reasons they've been so successful is because they've had great play from their offensive line. Same with the Giants. You can go back to most of the teams that have had several good years in a row and the one thing they have in common was a great O-line. You can win with Trent Dilfer at quarterback, but I don't think you can win without Jonathan Ogden keeping Trent Dilfer upright.

 

3/13/2012 9:24 pm  #15


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alz wrote:

I'm not a fan of shooting a top 5 draft pick with an offensive lineman. Not even Left Tackle. Give me a full line of average NFL lineman, and use the 1st rounders on the skill positions any day of the week.

Case in Point.... Jake Long over Matt Ryan, I still hate Miami for this.

I'll give you franchise QB over franchise LT, but I'm taking LT over RB or WR every time.

Having said that, never take a guard, center or RT before the middle of the first round, and even then, they have to be an exceptional talent.

 

3/13/2012 10:07 pm  #16


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artie_fufkin wrote:

"It's entirely possible that Trent Richardson is the best player available."

I don't like 5-9 backs. They end up being third down backs in the NFL.

Maurice Jones-Drew, Ray Rice and Frank Gore respectfully disagree.

I haven't heard anyone express concern about Richardson's size.  Especially at 225 pounds.  My only issue with drafting Richardson is that it isn't an immediate upgrade for next season.  It makes sense long term, because Jackson's body has a limited number of carries left in it.  I'm not sure that's a move a team with the number of holes as the Rams can make.

Latest rumor is that the Rams have a deal in place with CB Courtland Finnegan (one of Fisher's guys at Tennessee).  That could reduce interest in Claiborne, although the last time I checked, teams play more than 1 cornerback.

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3/14/2012 8:39 am  #17


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"Maurice Jones-Drew, Ray Rice and Frank Gore respectfully disagree."

And they've got the Super Bowl rings to show for it.

 

3/14/2012 9:31 pm  #18


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"Latest rumor is that the Rams have a deal in place with CB Courtland Finnegan (one of Fisher's guys at Tennessee)."

$50m/5y, with $27 million guaranteed.

Meanwhile, in the AFC West, the Chargers add Robert Meachem, the Chiefs add Peyton Hillis, the Broncos court Peyton Manning ... and the only significant move the Raiders make is cutting the only tight end on the roster who has ever caught a touchdown pass in the NFL.

 

3/15/2012 8:55 am  #19


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I guess I can see your point about LT being a safer pick, there's a lot of bust QB's that cause headaches.

Miami however "was/is/has been/will continue to be" in DIRE need of a tangible quarterback option before they lose the Marino faithful entirely. We've been hoping for someone who could throw effectively for about 13 years now. To have someone like Matt Ryan there, and pass on him for an LT (Long is not a bad lineman, I'm not saying that, but for a #1 overall, I want a franchise, and I can't put a franchise on my Left Tackle, no matter how good he is).

Miami should have landed Harbaugh, lost him, should have landed Fisher, lost him, should have intentionally lost the second half of the season and instead went from 1-7 to fucking 6-10 and did nothing but screw themselves out of the draft. Couldn't trade up to get RC3, and now are banking their hopes on Flynn (Green Bay's backup, who Rodgers says can be a top 15 quarterback in the league.... can't wait for that...). They are in the Manning talks, but just dumped their best WR for punching some bitch in a club (again, this is a problem for Marshall... but Marshall is worth more than a pair of 3rd rounders, and if we had anything resembling a quarterback during his time here, his stats would have been off the damned charts....) so I can't see Manning really wanting to commit to a loser organization that nobody seems to want to sign with.

I'm pretty pissed off in general at professional football, and Miami. It hasn't made me turn my focus to the Rams (Like I did with baseball/hockey when circumstances (lockout, Lemieux retiring) caused me to care less about my favorite teams, and found myself drawn into the local clubs.), it's actually just disinterested me in the sport at all. I'm still not cool with the bullshit "safety rules". I understand flagging someone for taking off a QB's head, but if you graze a facemask on the follow through of a pass deflection attempt, that's not 15 yards. They're taking a lot of the rugged insanity that made me LOVE football, and throwing it in the shitter in the name of safety. I wish they'd just leave the shit alone, and reimplement the 1980's rules. You want safety, buy better gear. Leave the game alone. Course my relunctance to be a Rams fan is probably not going to be overcome until it's proven they aren't leaving.

 

3/15/2012 8:58 am  #20


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It's not just Ryan... They drafted Jamar Fletcher ahead of Drew Brees. When San Diego dumped him for Rivers, they made a half assed effort to sign him, and lost him to New Orleans (who was at the time a joke of a football team). I had high hopes with Luck, RG23, Barkley and Landry Jones that Miami would have someone legitimate to put stock into and build around, and that just got progressively more and more fucked as time has went by...

It's hard to be a Dolphin fan right now.

 

3/15/2012 9:36 am  #21


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15-65  That's the Rams record the last 5 seasons.

Oh, and then there's that persistent threat the team won't be here in 3 years.

It ain't pretty on this side of the fence either Alz.  Certainly not pretty enough to switch allegiances.

 

3/15/2012 10:01 am  #22


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But there's Bradford.... With everything wrong with the Rams, they have always had a QB that they expect greatness from. Whether it's acheived or not, the Rams went after Trent Green, landed an amazing find in Kurt Warner, had a pretty serviceable quarterback in Bulger (for a while at least), and then drafted Bradford number 1 overall. Sadly, I'm a quarterback guy. I love watching the passing game, although I'm a walking contradiction in that I hate the new rules against defensive hitting. To me I think that's kind of cheap.

There's also Fisher. Everything wrong with the Rams on the field can be directly pointed to Coaching and the Front Office. Well the Front office gave Fisher the keys to the kingdom, and control over personel as well as coaching. He's overhauling everything.

Lastly, you also have a pretty damned amazing set of NFL drafts coming. To go from 2 to 6 (four spots), you get the next two first round picks from Washington (of all teams), and you'll still have your own first rounders in the next 2 drafts as well. You also get a VERY HIGH ADDITIONAL second round pick (now with #2 and #6 in the second round) for this deal and Washington was high enough that is really right on par with a later 1st round pick. Aside from the ownership moving the franchise, there's very little negative aspect from St. Louis.

I wouldn't be shocked to see the Rams leave with another Lombardi trophy. There's a lot of success you can have over the next 2 drafts thanks to the RG3 deal, ESPECIALLY with Fisher running shit.

 

3/15/2012 10:29 am  #23


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"It's hard to be a Dolphin fan right now."

"It ain't pretty on this side of the fence either Alz."

Hey, at least you guys have a fence. Being a Raiders' fan for the last 10 years has been kind of like the little kid in Slumdog Millionaire who has two choices - stay locked in the outhouse, or escape by jumping into a sinkhole filled with shit.

 

3/15/2012 10:58 am  #24


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artie_fufkin wrote:

"Latest rumor is that the Rams have a deal in place with CB Courtland Finnegan (one of Fisher's guys at Tennessee)."

$50m/5y, with $27 million guaranteed.

Meanwhile, in the AFC West, the Chargers add Robert Meachem, the Chiefs add Peyton Hillis, the Broncos court Peyton Manning ... and the only significant move the Raiders make is cutting the only tight end on the roster who has ever caught a touchdown pass in the NFL.

It isnt much better for the Vikings.  They are in rebuilding mode with the best RB in football.

 

3/15/2012 10:59 am  #25


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forsberg_us wrote:

I'll give you franchise QB over franchise LT, but I'm taking LT over RB or WR every time.

Having said that, never take a guard, center or RT before the middle of the first round, and even then, they have to be an exceptional talent.

What if you have a left handed QB?

 

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