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forsberg_us · 4/19/2012 10:55 am

The Defending and 11-time World Series Champion St. Louis Cardinals:

Furcal ss
Jay cf
Holliday lf
Beltran rf
M. Carpenter 1b
Cruz c
Descalso 3b
Greene 2b
Wainwright p

The Team that Invented Baseball (but hasn't won a playoff game since 1990):

Cozart ss
Stubbs cf
Votto 1b
Phillips 2b
Bruce rf
Ludwick lf
Frazier 3b
Hanigan c
Arroyo p

APIAD · 4/19/2012 11:50 am

I wish that Anderson wasnt such a waste in Memphis. It would be nice to call him up and actually use Cruz as a position player with Berkman out for at least 2 weeks.

tkihshbt · 4/19/2012 1:00 pm

Put the ball in the air, Jon Jay.

don.rob11 · 4/19/2012 1:00 pm

21 pitches for Wainwright there ....

tkihshbt · 4/19/2012 1:15 pm

All of the runs were used up last night. Today is a loss.

tkihshbt · 4/19/2012 1:19 pm

Reds have about four line drives (including one from Arroyo) and the Cardinals are flailing and hitting bloopers.

tkihshbt · 4/19/2012 1:34 pm

Aaaaaaand game.

tkihshbt · 4/19/2012 1:38 pm

Horton said that unofficially, the two home runs were 84 mph cutters. That probably won't get the job done.

don.rob11 · 4/19/2012 1:41 pm

Wainwright really getting roughed up .. sad .

tkihshbt · 4/19/2012 1:45 pm

Arroyo is getting the high strike.

tkihshbt · 4/19/2012 2:31 pm

I'm so tired of seeing Matheny go to Victor Marte. This is getting ridiculous.

tkihshbt · 4/19/2012 2:42 pm

I guess it doesn't matter if Marte pitches. When the 6-7-8 hitters are 0-9 with three strikeouts, you're going to struggle.

Arroyo has thrown all of 83 pitches and just 23 balls. That's ridiculous.

tkihshbt · 4/19/2012 2:51 pm

Jon Jay has a strained shoulder and is day-to-day. The dominoes are toppling early.

don.rob11 · 4/19/2012 3:01 pm

Jay needs to understand that the warning track is his friend ....

forsberg_us · 4/19/2012 3:40 pm

tkihshbt wrote:
I guess it doesn't matter if Marte pitches. When the 6-7-8 hitters are 0-9 with three strikeouts, you're going to struggle.

Arroyo has thrown all of 83 pitches and just 23 balls. That's ridiculous.

You see the Yahoo story about Colon throwing 38 consecutive strikes last night?

alz · 4/20/2012 8:59 am

Just so I don't have to write another FU Holliday message. To his credit, he was 2-4 with a homer and 3 RBI's yesterday. Good job Matt! Keep it going man, you're above .200 now, let's get that up above .250!

tkihshbt · 4/20/2012 10:41 am

If there's one thing I never faulted Rasmus for it was watching out for the wall. Sometimes he played it too safe, but crashing into it almost never ends well. So yay for Jon Jay for showing hustle on a no-doubt home run, but it was a stupid, idiotic play and it's going to cost the team.

forsberg_us · 4/20/2012 10:50 am

tkihshbt wrote:
If there's one thing I never faulted Rasmus for it was watching out for the wall. Sometimes he played it too safe, but crashing into it almost never ends well. So yay for Jon Jay for showing hustle on a no-doubt home run, but it was a stupid, idiotic play and it's going to cost the team.

But he made Andy Van Slyke proud.

alz · 4/20/2012 12:51 pm

I think we had this discussion when Ankiel used his neck and face to keep his body from going through a wall. There are two lines of thought out there playing the Outfield. Playing with pure dominance and agression is one thought, typically this will allow you to make plays you otherwise would be 2 steps away from making. This killer instinct when it comes to the baseball invading your turf will likely increase your range, but carries with it a serious risk of injury when you do not factor the walls or that goddamned flag pole and hill that is for some reason in play at Houston.

Personally I take an aggressive fielder anyday of the week and twice on Sunday over a passive fielder. This includes a catcher who's more than willing to step in front of a home plate charge, or a firstbaseman putting himself in a basepath because a throw took him there, or a centerfielder who lays out, or gets laid out, by trying to make a play.

That said, I can understand the frustration from people who want smarter choices.

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tkihshbt · 4/20/2012 2:31 pm

forsberg_us wrote:
tkihshbt wrote:
If there's one thing I never faulted Rasmus for it was watching out for the wall. Sometimes he played it too safe, but crashing into it almost never ends well. So yay for Jon Jay for showing hustle on a no-doubt home run, but it was a stupid, idiotic play and it's going to cost the team.
But he made Andy Van Slyke proud.

No doubt about that.

Alz, I think you can be aggressive and smart. Jay has been tremendous this season with the glove. In the previous two seasons I thought he was taking too many L-shaped routes to the ball, like he was running a post pattern as a receiver. This year he's making a beeline to the ball and I can't think of anything he's missed. He's also been aggressive in calling off his fielders.

Yesterday, though, was just silliness. That ball was not being caught. And if you're going to make an attempt like that, for god's sake, get your feet set. Apparently they need to bring in Jim Edmonds to do some instruction.

alz · 4/20/2012 3:45 pm

I sadly didn't see it, so I can't offer much of an argument (and I can hear the sigh of relief from here). I will become a lot more involved when I am not hanging on every second of the Blues.

APIAD · 4/20/2012 4:05 pm

tkihshbt wrote:
forsberg_us wrote:
tkihshbt wrote:
If there's one thing I never faulted Rasmus for it was watching out for the wall. Sometimes he played it too safe, but crashing into it almost never ends well. So yay for Jon Jay for showing hustle on a no-doubt home run, but it was a stupid, idiotic play and it's going to cost the team.
But he made Andy Van Slyke proud.
No doubt about that.

Alz, I think you can be aggressive and smart. Jay has been tremendous this season with the glove. In the previous two seasons I thought he was taking too many L-shaped routes to the ball, like he was running a post pattern as a receiver. This year he's making a beeline to the ball and I can't think of anything he's missed. He's also been aggressive in calling off his fielders.

Yesterday, though, was just silliness. That ball was not being caught. And if you're going to make an attempt like that, for god's sake, get your feet set. Apparently they need to bring in Jim Edmonds to do some instruction .

It said in the post dispatch that Edmonds did give instruction this spring and Jay was very interested. The story also mentioned that Beltran has help Jay. I am guessing just having Beltran out there has help.

forsberg_us · 4/20/2012 5:34 pm

alz wrote:
I sadly didn't see it, so I can't offer much of an argument (and I can hear the sigh of relief from here). I will become a lot more involved when I am not hanging on every second of the Blues.

Picture the home run that Freese hit to win Game 6 of the World Series. Now picture the center fielder smashing into the wall to catch that ball.

No one is suggesting that Jay not be aggressive. There was another ball I think in that same game where he cut right in front of Holliday to make a very nice catch. He was aggressive on that play and, as the center fielder, correctly so. The ball on which he was injured wasn't remotely close to catchable. It was 15-20 feet up the grass hill in center field. It was almost as if he didn't realize he had reached the warning track and was still going close to full speed when he hit the wall.

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