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6/17 GC vs. KC
Cards
1. Descalso 2b
2. Beltran cf
3. Holliday lf
4. Craig rf
5. Freese 3b
6. Adams 1b
7. Greene ss
8. Cruz c
9. Wainwright p
Royals
1. Gordon lf
2. Getz 2b
3. Hosmer 1b
4. Francoeur rf
5. Mostaksas 3b
6. Escobar ss
7. Quintero c
8. Dyson cf
9. Mendoza p
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Re: 6/17 GC vs. KC
Wainwright doesn't have it today. See you guys tomorrow.
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Re: 6/17 GC vs. KC
tkihshbt wrote:
Wainwright doesn't have it today. See you guys tomorrow.
lol , but we might score 15 today -)
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Re: 6/17 GC vs. KC
Wainwright doesn't have it today. See you guys tomorrow.
lol , but we might score 15 today -)
I had to come back to say that David Freese is an awful fielder.
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Ugh. I stuck with this game and I'm not sure how anyone can say that Matheny's not over his head. Calling a suicide squeeze with the pitcher? Pulling Holliday for a pinch-runner? These are mistakes I didn't make when I was 9 playing Sega Genesis. Unbelievable.
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So discouraging, disgusting , etc..........
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sad even .....
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Ugh. I stuck with this game and I'm not sure how anyone can say that Matheny's not over his head. Calling a suicide squeeze with the pitcher? Pulling Holliday for a pinch-runner? These are mistakes I didn't make when I was 9 playing Sega Genesis. Unbelievable.
I was gone for the Holliday pinch run but the squeeze was stupid. I know there were less then 2 outs and I dont think there were any.
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Joe Strauss†@JoeStrauss
Matheny described Holliday condition as "leg"-related. That's a little broad. Again... Developing
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Ugh. I stuck with this game and I'm not sure how anyone can say that Matheny's not over his head. Calling a suicide squeeze with the pitcher? Pulling Holliday for a pinch-runner? These are mistakes I didn't make when I was 9 playing Sega Genesis. Unbelievable.
I was gone for the Holliday pinch run but the squeeze was stupid. I know there were less then 2 outs and I dont think there were any.
Right , there were no outs . Matheny botched this one ....
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Re: 6/17 GC vs. KC
Not only do they suck defensively, but they make lots of mental errors. I'm looking at you, Greene.
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I was following the game on my wife's cell phone, and we got back late last night so I still haven't seen any pictures or read anything except what's on this board. I assumed Greene was out on a botched squeeze, but did Motte really give up a tying home run with two outs and two strikes on a guy whose only baseball skill is the ability to hit a baseball 425 feet?
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I was following the game on my wife's cell phone, and we got back late last night so I still haven't seen any pictures or read anything except what's on this board. I assumed Greene was out on a botched squeeze, but did Motte really give up a tying home run with two outs and two strikes on a guy whose only baseball skill is the ability to hit a baseball 425 feet?
That is the trouble with Motte. He isnt a pitcher. He is at best Kyle Farnsworth and at worst John Rocker.
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I was following the game on my wife's cell phone, and we got back late last night so I still haven't seen any pictures or read anything except what's on this board. I assumed Greene was out on a botched squeeze, but did Motte really give up a tying home run with two outs and two strikes on a guy whose only baseball skill is the ability to hit a baseball 425 feet?
That is the trouble with Motte. He isnt a pitcher. He is at best Kyle Farnsworth and at worst John Rocker.
I'd probably reverse those two benchmarks, but you're probably right he's somewhere in between. Rocker was a decent closer until the minute he started losing velocity on his fastball. Fartworthy is just too much of a granite head to be a major league pitcher, and remember it's a profession in which Jonathan Papelbuam has enjoyed a reasonably successful career.
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I was following the game on my wife's cell phone, and we got back late last night so I still haven't seen any pictures or read anything except what's on this board. I assumed Greene was out on a botched squeeze, but did Motte really give up a tying home run with two outs and two strikes on a guy whose only baseball skill is the ability to hit a baseball 425 feet?
You've only scratched the surface of what went wrong yesterday, but yes. Matheny says he wanted a safety squeeze and it was miscommunicated.
The way Bernie, et. al is talking, Motte refuses to throw anything other than his four-seamer. Bernie wrote that opponents are hitting .080 off of his cutter.
Watching the ninth inning, I had a sinking feeling. He got away with a couple fastballs thrown straight down the middle, and Butler is a good enough hitter that you can't just expect to blow fastballs by him. Before the 0-2 pitch I was like "throw a cutter. Throw it in the dirt. Brush him back. Do. Not.Throw him another fastball."
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"opponents are hitting .080 off of his cutter."
Is that on balls put in play? My own perception is he rarely throws his cutter for a strike.
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"opponents are hitting .080 off of his cutter."
Is that on balls put in play? My own perception is he rarely throws his cutter for a strike.
He doesnt throw anything other then the 2 and four seam for strikes. IDK what the deal was yesterday. Up in the count like that he never should have thrown a hittale pitch.
As for the safty squeeze I call bullshit. Even that is a poor call. Wainwright just hit the ball 380ft. Let him swing on strike three.
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I was following the game on my wife's cell phone, and we got back late last night so I still haven't seen any pictures or read anything except what's on this board. I assumed Greene was out on a botched squeeze, but did Motte really give up a tying home run with two outs and two strikes on a guy whose only baseball skill is the ability to hit a baseball 425 feet?
You've only scratched the surface of what went wrong yesterday, but yes. Matheny says he wanted a safety squeeze and it was miscommunicated.
The way Bernie, et. al is talking, Motte refuses to throw anything other than his four-seamer. Bernie wrote that opponents are hitting .080 off of his cutter.
Watching the ninth inning, I had a sinking feeling. He got away with a couple fastballs thrown straight down the middle, and Butler is a good enough hitter that you can't just expect to blow fastballs by him. Before the 0-2 pitch I was like "throw a cutter. Throw it in the dirt. Brush him back. Do. Not.Throw him another fastball."
I would always call a chest high fastball when Motte is that far up in the count. Motte should be able to hit his spot with that pitch and it is unhittable at the speed Motte throws.
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"He doesnt throw anything other then the 2 and four seam for strikes. IDK what the deal was yesterday. Up in the count like that he never should have thrown a hittale pitch."
The difference to me is he hasn't been able to spot his fastball as well this year. So instead of wasting a pitch or two, he ends up trying to economize his counts because he's afraid he's going to end up issuing a walk.
When he was effective last year, he got ahead in the count, and he was able to throw that 4-seamer up around the letters or waste a cutter on the outside corner. I don't think he has the same type of confidence in his location right now.
Now, what's causing his lack of precision is another discussion. Again, just going by my own recollection, he looks to me like when he misses, he misses by a lot, and you'll even occasionally see him throw a 4-seamer that breaks way up and in to a right-handed batter. So it may be a mechanical issue that's not being addressed, like he's opening up too quickly or he's choking the ball. Without being an alarmist, when a guy misses up and in, it's also a sign he's not finishing his pitches because of an issue with his shoulder, but that's truer of a pitcher who throws real breaking pitches, not a guy like Motte who never torques his arm.
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Interesting take Artie. I had not thought it through that far and dont have your background but why cant he still waste a high one? IMO it has to be the easies pitch to throw. Anywhere from the leters to the eyes is good. The worst thing that can happen is that he is 1-2. For god sakes, just dont throw a meatball.