forsberg_us wrote:

NL Gold Gloves

C Yadier Molina Cardinals
1B Albert Pujols Cardinals
2B Brandon Phillips Reds
SS Troy Tulowitzki Rockies
3B Scott Rolen Reds
OF Carlos Gonzalez Rockies
OF Michael Bourn Astros
OF Shane Victorino Phillies
P Bronson Arroyo Reds

Can't wait to hit the Reds' board to read Danny's indignation about how Votto got screwed.

Only two positions not from the Central Division.  Damn, we must be like the toughest division in the Conference.

forsberg_us wrote:

NL Gold Gloves

C Yadier Molina Cardinals
1B Albert Pujols Cardinals
2B Brandon Phillips Reds
SS Troy Tulowitzki Rockies
3B Scott Rolen Reds
OF Carlos Gonzalez Rockies
OF Michael Bourn Astros
OF Shane Victorino Phillies
P Bronson Arroyo Reds

Woo Hoo!  What a great team this would be (grin)!!

Webstergrovesalum wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

NL Gold Gloves

C Yadier Molina Cardinals
1B Albert Pujols Cardinals
2B Brandon Phillips Reds
SS Troy Tulowitzki Rockies
3B Scott Rolen Reds
OF Carlos Gonzalez Rockies
OF Michael Bourn Astros
OF Shane Victorino Phillies
P Bronson Arroyo Reds

Woo Hoo!  What a great team this would be (grin)!!

I'm sure having Molina and Phillips in the same dugout would at least be entertaining.

Mags wrote:

Max wrote:

Only two positions not from the Central Division.  Damn, we must be like the toughest division in the Conference.

I think the pitching provides more opportunities for Comedy Central players to demonstrate their skills.

Speaking of Comedy Central, I am apparently unable to divide nine players into two categories correctly.  There are THREE non Central Division players on that list.]

I think there are other arguments re: Drew v. Johnson.  Johnson is coming off of a career year--one that he has never come even close to in the past.  I suspect anyone who trades for Johnson is going to pay for his 2010 stats, which means that team will likely significantly overpay.

Also, Drew is only in his 2nd year of arbitration eligibility.  Johnson is in his 3rd, meaning he's a free agent after 2011.  In that sense, you could be significantly overpaying for a one year rental.

On the other hand, Johnson is not represented by Boras (Drew is).  As such, you might be able to get a new deal done with Johnson before he reaches free agency.

One other fact that receives little mention is that the Cardinal staff is pretty familiar with Steven Drew.  Apparently he hung around the team quite a bit when J.D. was here.  Larussa and his people seem to like Steven quite a bit.

They could use Drew and Johnson for different reasons.  Johnson offers power and production and Drew offers a solid lead off man.  I think both play hard and would add some gritt to the team.

What I would do is trade for Drew and sign Eck.  David would offer a emergency backup at SS and give them someone who can play second when a left hits.  I think Eck could use alittle less playing time and I think Skip will find enough work in the outfield.  Eck and Drew also gives the team two guys who can handle leadoff, three if you want to count Skip.

Drew's OBP was .352 last year and is .332 lifetime.  I don't know how that compares in the league today, but a few years ago those would not have been leadoff-type numbers.  Also, he had 10 SB and 5 CS, so there is no speed worth mentioning.

Leadoff hitters are never league leaders in OBP even though you want a high OPB guy in that position.  Pitchers will not want to ever walk to leadoff man because of the people batting behind him. 

Fors posted  a lineup with batting second and I believe he is on to something.  Drew has some power and we all know TLR likes power in his 2 hole (thats a pop fly boys).  If they signed Eck and batted him leadoff TLR could go with his RLR deal.  If Skip returns to his normal self he could hold the leadoff spot down again.  I dont think you can go into 2011 as Skip as the only option.

2b Skip/Eck
SS Drew
1b Pujols
LF Holliday
CF Rasmus
3b Freese
C Molina
RF Jay/Craig

This would also be the cheapest option and hopefull would allow them to upgrade the Jay/Craig platoon.

Last edited by APRTW (11/11/2010 11:40 pm)

Drew would be about the cheapest guy we could find to replace Ryan and Eck would be cheaper then Hudson.

APRTW wrote:

Drew would be about the cheapest guy we could find to replace Ryan and Eck would be cheaper then Hudson.

There's a reason Eckstein is cheaper than Hudson. His numbers have been pretty bad since leaving St. Louis. I know people love nostalgia, but I want to see Eckstein at 2nd base about as much as I want to see Matt Morris return to the rotation.

forsberg_us wrote:

APRTW wrote:

Drew would be about the cheapest guy we could find to replace Ryan and Eck would be cheaper then Hudson.

There's a reason Eckstein is cheaper than Hudson. His numbers have been pretty bad since leaving St. Louis. I know people love nostalgia, but I want to see Eckstein at 2nd base about as much as I want to see Matt Morris return to the rotation.

I figured that either we get a real second baseman or SS, not both.  If they do get Drew it is likely going to be Mies and Skip at second.  I would like Eck more than that.