I assume it was a double switch to ensure Motte didn't bat in the 8th. 

Assuming Schumaker is on the roster, he hasn't been used, has he?

forsberg_us wrote:

I assume it was a double switch to ensure Motte didn't bat in the 8th. 

Assuming Schumaker is on the roster, he hasn't been used, has he?

Craig was double switched out of the game when Boggs entered.  I am not sure I agree with ever taking Craig out of the lineup.  I know I wouldnt do it in the 7th inning of a one run game.  That put Robinson in the 9th spot and playing RF, moving Carpenter to first to replace Craig.  So when cleanup spot comes up Chambers is called to bat and play right and Motte goes back into the 9th spot in the lineup.  Seems more complicated then needed.

Question for Artie.  You've told me in the past that Motte has probably the best mechanical delivery on the team.  Do simpler mechanic have any effect on recovery?  Or do you think Motte is likely unavailable tomorrow?

Just rewatched Motte's two innings of work:

Blanco- 2 pitches, flied out on a 1-0 pitch
Crawford- 5 pitches, flied out on a 1-2 pitch
Huff- 2 pitches, popped out on an 0-1 pitch
Pagan- 2 pitches, popped out on an 0-1 pitch
Scutaro- 4 pitches, grounded out on an 0-2 pitch
Sandoval- 4 pitches, flied out on a 1-2 pitch

forsberg_us wrote:

Question for Artie.  You've told me in the past that Motte has probably the best mechanical delivery on the team.  Do simpler mechanic have any effect on recovery?  Or do you think Motte is likely unavailable tomorrow?

I think the important factor is the pitch count. He threw what, 19 pitches? I'd think he'd be able to go.
Boggs and Rosenthal are undoubtedly available, and Kelly had the day off.
They're probably in pretty good shape, even if Waino doesn't go deep.

I'm more interested to see how the Giants play it tomorrow with their starter. Lincecum has proven he's OK coming out of the bullpen. They probably don't have the same luxury with Zito, so if you go with Lincecum you're probably ruling out Zito for the series. I'd go with Lincecum, but mostly because the Cardinals annihilate left-handed pitching.

windwalker wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

Pagan- 2 pitches, popped out on an 0-1 pitch

Hopefully Hotdog Angel remembered to salute on his way back to the bench.

I'll never figure out why mediocre players cop a cocky attitude. I'd think Angel Pagan would want to bring as little attention to himself as possible to avoid reminding everyone what an ordinary baseball player he really is.

windwalker wrote:

Max wrote:

Now I've got a 5 year old in a cold bath.

That's how you make an alpha male.

Indeed.  I'm a raging alpha male here.

artie_fufkin wrote:

Max wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

OK, who had Chambers batting cleanup in the pool?

Yeah, I didn't understand that substitution.  Who does Matheny have left on the bench at this point, Cruz?

When he brought in Boggs, MM double-switched Craig out of the game, moved Carpenter to 1B and put Shano in RF in the 9th spot in the order. Then when he brought in Motte, he moved Motte for Robinson and Chambers for Boggs.

I already said that olny not a smoothly.  Wouldnt it have been just as simple and better because it would have kept Craig in the lineup not to have double switch him out and kept the pitcher in the ninth spot?

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

Max wrote:

Yeah, I didn't understand that substitution.  Who does Matheny have left on the bench at this point, Cruz?

When he brought in Boggs, MM double-switched Craig out of the game, moved Carpenter to 1B and put Shano in RF in the 9th spot in the order. Then when he brought in Motte, he moved Motte for Robinson and Chambers for Boggs.

I already said that olny not a smoothly.  Wouldnt it have been just as simple and better because it would have kept Craig in the lineup not to have double switch him out and kept the pitcher in the ninth spot?

He would have had to pinch hit Chambers for Boggs instead of Robinson batting with one out and the bases loaded in the bottom of the seventh. Ultimately, it didn't make any difference because Boggs didn't pitch the top of the eighth, but by making the double switch he at least availed himself of that option.
Unless you think Robinson is that much of an upgrade over Chambers. I think they're basically the same player except they hit from different sides of the plate.

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

They've announced Lincecum tomorrow, Zito in Game 5.  Bumgarner must be done.

What happen to him?  I know he sucked in game one but I didnt remember an injury.

Performance only. Bumgarner also got rocked by the Reds in his NLDS start.

Giants fan is speculating an injury because he was awful in September and it carried over into October. 

Alright, who is the roster rules guru for the board?  I've read a lot of mixed things about Beltran's knee.  Let's assume for a second he's done for the rest of the season.  The Cardinals bench is awful.  Right now it's Chambers, Robinson, Shumaker and Cruz.  I haven't seen anything to suggest Berkman is in play and Adams had season ending surgery.  Jackson and Anderson were on the roster for the play-in game against Atlanta, but neither is exactly imposing.

For some reason I thought that in the event of an injury, any player on the 40 man roster could be added to the playoff roster.  But 40 man roster as of when?  Could the Cardinals put Garcia on the 60 day DL, add Tavares to the 40 man roster and add him to the playoff roster if Beltran is completely lost?  Tavares would almost instantly become the best bench player available.

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

When he brought in Boggs, MM double-switched Craig out of the game, moved Carpenter to 1B and put Shano in RF in the 9th spot in the order. Then when he brought in Motte, he moved Motte for Robinson and Chambers for Boggs.

I already said that olny not a smoothly.  Wouldnt it have been just as simple and better because it would have kept Craig in the lineup not to have double switch him out and kept the pitcher in the ninth spot?

He would have had to pinch hit Chambers for Boggs instead of Robinson batting with one out and the bases loaded in the bottom of the seventh. Ultimately, it didn't make any difference because Boggs didn't pitch the top of the eighth, but by making the double switch he at least availed himself of that option.
Unless you think Robinson is that much of an upgrade over Chambers. I think they're basically the same player except they hit from different sides of the plate.

Yeah same player.  Robinson got an RBI but it was just a ground out.  I guess the real problem is going to Boggs that early.  I just dont like taking Craig out of the game.  It is something I dont think you should ever do in a game that close.

artie_fufkin wrote:

I'm not an expert by any means, but I'd think you at least have to be on the major league roster or the DL as of Sept. 1. This is admittedly a far-fetched example, but if you could add anyone you have under contract, what's to prevent the Cardinals from trading for Andrew McCutchen this afternoon and putting him in the outfield tonight?

I don't believe Shelby Miller satisfied either of those criteria.

But I like your example. Lets trade for McCutcheon.

forsberg_us wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

I'm not an expert by any means, but I'd think you at least have to be on the major league roster or the DL as of Sept. 1. This is admittedly a far-fetched example, but if you could add anyone you have under contract, what's to prevent the Cardinals from trading for Andrew McCutchen this afternoon and putting him in the outfield tonight?

I don't believe Shelby Miller satisfied either of those criteria.

But I like your example. Lets trade for McCutcheon.

Maybe it's the 40-man, then. TK is probably the guy who can answer your question. Reading the roster regulations, especially about the waiver process, gives me a popsicle headache.

What do you think the Pirates would take? Something involving Westbrook would probably require the Jedi Mind Trick.
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