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Who plays for it all?
Will try to post this without being completely overly-Oregon.
Alabama, Notre Dame, Kansas State, Oregon are all in a position to finish undefeated.
Notre Dame and Kansas State will have no conference championships, with Kansas State playing in a 10 team conference and Notre Dame not playing in a conference at all.
However, this is actually intriguing.
Alabama - Clear cut number 1 in the human polls, and will likely stay that way unless they lose. Their toughest opponent is ahead of them with a road game against LSU.
Kansas State - Bulk of their schedule is behind them but still have games against (24)Oklahoma State and (23)Texas (both in the confines of Kansas State). Ranked wins? (6)Oklahoma, (11)West Virginia, (14)Texas Tech.
Notre Dame - Ranked wins? (10)Michigan State, (18)Michigan, (4)Stanford, (8)Oklahoma. Left? (17)USC
Oregon - Ranked wins? (22)Arizona, (24)Washington. Left? (17)USC, (14)Stanford, (11) Oregon State.
Who should go? There's some interesting angles to this. Oklahoma losing two times makes the wins worth less, just like USC will mean less to Oregon and Notre Dame. Oregon beating Stanford would diminish Notre Dame beating Stanford as well, because the BCS continuously readjusts strength of schedule based on present play.
My hope is obviously Alabama vs Oregon. Anyone with eyes knows those are the two most dangerous teams in the nation, and I don't think Notre Dame or Kansas State has a prayer of giving Alabama a real challenge. I just don't know that the computer will agree with me.
Anyone else have views on the BCS Title game, and who should be there?
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"Anyone else have views on the BCS Title game, and who should be there?"
Oregon vs. Notre Dame. Why? The book I am reading is highly critical of the SEC and maybe, for once, they should get screwed over. Also, I haven't followed college football much since Tony Eason made Rick Neuheisel a household name, but the book says Notre Dame hasn't been good for almost a decade.
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If Alabama wins tonight against LSU, they don't face a real serious challenge until the SEC Championship game. They're the best team in the country and I think they end up in the title game.
Notre Dame is struggling at the moment, playing OT against an unranked opponent at home. I think K-State is over-rated and taking advantage of a very mediocre Big 12.
Alabama-Oregon would be the most entertaining title game.
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I'm in favor of any scenario that involves Notre Dame not winning the national championship. Because I can't tolerate miniature people with red hair and freckles from South Boston thinking the superiority of their Irish heritage has been validated because a bunch of African-American kids from California and the Midwest won a freakin' crystal trophy.
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artie_fufkin wrote:
I'm in favor of any scenario that involves Notre Dame not winning the national championship. Because I can't tolerate miniature people with red hair and freckles from South Boston thinking the superiority of their Irish heritage has been validated because a bunch of African-American kids from California and the Midwest won a freakin' crystal trophy.
You forgot to add the part that those freckled, red headed, Southies would chase those same African-American kids out of South Boston with bats if they happened to find their way into the neighborhood.
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I'm in favor of any scenario that involves Notre Dame not winning the national championship. Because I can't tolerate miniature people with red hair and freckles from South Boston thinking the superiority of their Irish heritage has been validated because a bunch of African-American kids from California and the Midwest won a freakin' crystal trophy.
Same thing if the SEC wins, a bunch of yahoos with confederate flags on their bumper feel that their political beliefs, and their entire way of life, is validated when a bunch of strapping young African American men, poor and working for no pay, win a national championship.
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"and their entire way of life, is validated"
Yep, you sure have me pegged partner, you should write a book and enlighten the world ...
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"and their entire way of life, is validated"
Yep, you sure have me pegged partner, you should write a book and enlighten the world ...
Why, are you a yahoo with a confederate flag on your bumper? If not, then the statement didn't apply to you.
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I'm in favor of any scenario that involves Notre Dame not winning the national championship. Because I can't tolerate miniature people with red hair and freckles from South Boston thinking the superiority of their Irish heritage has been validated because a bunch of African-American kids from California and the Midwest won a freakin' crystal trophy.
You forgot to add the part that those freckled, red headed, Southies would chase those same African-American kids out of South Boston with bats if they happened to find their way into the neighborhood.
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The theory that the SEC is overrated be a little more valid if the conference hadn't produced the last six national champions.
There are at least five SEC teams that would beat Notre Dame, and three of them (Alabama, Georgia, Florida) would stomp their guts.
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"and their entire way of life, is validated"
Yep, you sure have me pegged partner, you should write a book and enlighten the world ...Why, are you a yahoo with a confederate flag on your bumper? If not, then the statement didn't apply to you.
When's the last time you've been down here to check on confederate flags on bumpers ? I live here , I don't see any .....
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"and their entire way of life, is validated"
Yep, you sure have me pegged partner, you should write a book and enlighten the world ...Why, are you a yahoo with a confederate flag on your bumper? If not, then the statement didn't apply to you.
When's the last time you've been down here to check on confederate flags on bumpers ? I live here , I don't see any .....
Ahh . . . so the South doesn't have any yahoo's who put confederate flags on their bumper anymore?
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Why, are you a yahoo with a confederate flag on your bumper? If not, then the statement didn't apply to you.When's the last time you've been down here to check on confederate flags on bumpers ? I live here , I don't see any .....
Ahh . . . so the South doesn't have any yahoo's who put confederate flags on their bumper anymore?
Ahh , drive over , have a look ......
- alz
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Well, Oregon jumped ND, which they probably should have given the struggles ND had against Pitt (seriously, how in the hell did they win that game??? sigh).
- USC threw everything they had at Oregon, and it was nearly enough. Marqise "Fucking goddamnit" Lee is more than a handful, he's a complete terror on a football field. Jesus.
- If USC brings that against Notre Dame, they are screwed.
- Kansas State Klein has a concussion, and might be out for a bit. I believe they play TCU next, and TCU is actually a decent game if they don't have their QB. Watch for an upset if Kleine doesn't play.
- Texas may present problems for Kansas State as well.
- Computer score is still killing Oregon, but getting better. They need to close the score gap by .050 to nod ahead of Kansas State. With ranked games against Stanford (14), Oregon State (11), and a PAC-12 title game still on the schedule compared to K. State's (unranked, unranked, Texas (17)) I think Oregon will have it, but I hate this crap. We need a playoff system...
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Seriously though, the BCS computers had me rooting for
Oregon
Pitt
Oklahoma State
LSU
Iowa State
TCU
Texas
Minnesota
Nebraska.
Why? Either to minimize previous wins by KSU or Notre Dame, or direct opponents. Almost as annoying as the absurdity you find yourself rooting for in Fantasy Football...
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When's the last time you've been down here to check on confederate flags on bumpers ? I live here , I don't see any .....Ahh . . . so the South doesn't have any yahoo's who put confederate flags on their bumper anymore?
Ahh , drive over , have a look ......
That's a long drive. I have relatives in NC, SC, GA, and FL. Won't their words suffice?
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Ahh . . . so the South doesn't have any yahoo's who put confederate flags on their bumper anymore?Ahh , drive over , have a look ......
That's a long drive. I have relatives in NC, SC, GA, and FL. Won't their words suffice?
Well then, it's time they removed their bumper stickers ..
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I saw a bumper sticker in Miami that nearly made me wreck my vehicle.
It read:
"Will the last American leaving Miami please take the flag with you?"
It's offensive, but I laughed. I felt bad though, if that counts.
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Ahh . . . so the South doesn't have any yahoo's who put confederate flags on their bumper anymore?Ahh , drive over , have a look ......
That's a long drive. I have relatives in NC, SC, GA, and FL. Won't their words suffice?
I should probably keep to myself, but Don is probably the person least likely to offend in every social situation he's ever in.
There are people with prejudices everywhere. No one in my family has ever lived south of Hartford, but that doesn't stop some of them from using the term "colored" to describe anyone with a tan darker than Warren Beatty's.
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Ahh , drive over , have a look ......That's a long drive. I have relatives in NC, SC, GA, and FL. Won't their words suffice?
I should probably keep to myself, but Don is probably the person least likely to offend in every social situation he's ever in.
There are people with prejudices everywhere. No one in my family has ever lived south of Hartford, but that doesn't stop some of them from using the term "colored" to describe anyone with a tan darker than Warren Beatty's.
I'm not out to offend anyone, but I am a bit of a crusader when it comes to truth and honesty. We are moving away from a country where it was once believed we were entitled to our own opinion but not to our own facts, to one where it is OK to speak as though one is talking from a parallel universe with a different set of facts. I did not say anything at all about anyone specifically on this board, but Don responded in the first person as though he took it that way. If on the other hand the discussion is whether or not there are yahoos with Confederate flags on their bumpers, then we are talking about facts. I maintain that there are, and if I have to post a picture of a confederate flag on a bumper with current newspaper in the frame, I will do so. It won't be easy from my position on the Pacific coast just 30 minutes south of the Canadian border, but I could get it done. On the other hand, I think we could at least agree on the fact that there are people with confederate flags on their bumper.
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So back to college football! You guys are hijackin hosers!
I noticed there are some Rivals boards that are well moderated that has helped my need to chat about this. This year is a great example of needing a 4 team playoff.
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"I did not say anything at all about anyone specifically on this board, but Don responded in the first person as though he took it that way."
No, but Don is probably the person on this board who would most identify with being referred to as a quote-unquote Southerner, so it he was bound to react to it the most.
Just like if you had written "Every person from Massachusetts is an asshole," I would be the one who identifies with that comment the most. Not that you're necessarily wrong in that instance ...
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So back to college football! You guys are hijackin hosers!
I noticed there are some Rivals boards that are well moderated that has helped my need to chat about this. This year is a great example of needing a 4 team playoff.
I think you're always going to be able to find a conversation about playoffs and the number of teams that should be involved, Alz. It's sort of like the millennium's answer to the "Should Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame?" question from a previous era.
For what my opinion is worth, I think the NCAA should take the top 16 teams in its system, and have them play a single elim playoff until a champion is determined. You're able to include all of the undefeated, 1-loss and 2-loss teams from the major confernences and a couple of 1-loss or undefeated teams from the second tier conferences in the playoff format, which can run from the beginning of December until the second week of January.
To make the bowl committees happy, rotate the five big bowls (Rose, Cotton, Orange, Fiesta, Sugar) and one other among the quarterfinals and semifinals, and then call the final the FBS championship.
And you can sort of keep the traditional component of the bowls intact by placing the teams in the tournament the way they are in the basketball tournament - i.e. place the Pac 12 champ and the Big 10 champ in the "Rose Bowl" quad, the SEC champ in the "Sugar Bowl" quad and the ACC champ in the "Orange Bowl" quad, and then mix in the at-large teams.
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I think 16 is too many. I don't have a problem telling the number #11 team in the land to take a walk. I want the amount of teams to include every major conference winner, but at the same time if that conference winner has 3+ losses, they can get bent too. The object for me is to make sure that nobody gets screwed out of a deserved chance, not offer up a 65 man NCAA Hoops tournament that says if you take the field and win 5, you can play for it.
Top 10 has a nice ring to it, and most perfect teams will be in the top 10.
Week 1
7 vs 10
8 vs 9
Week 2
1 vs worst play in seed
2 vs other play in seed
3 vs 6
4 vs 5
Week 3 - Semifinals
best seed vs worst seed
best remaining seed vs worst remaining seed
Week 4 - National Championship Game.
This gives the top 6 teams a bye week, and ensures that the top rated teams get the easiest possible flight and a majority of home games. It also prevents anyone from preparing for a specific team for 4 goddamned weeks (which is the only reason Auburn beat Oregon damnit!!!).
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I don't see a scenario in which you can hold more than a 4 or 6 team playoff at the bowl sites because it's unlikely you can get fans to travel 3 weeks in a row.
I think even if you went to an 8 team playoff, the first round of games would have to be played at the home stadium of the higher seeds to ensure you get the crowds. Even then, you would have the four major bowls (Orange, Sugar, Rose and Fiesta) fighting for 3 games (2 semi-finals and the national championship.
I suppose whichever bowl was left out each year could still use traditional conference allegiances (i.e., Rose = Big 10 v. Pac 12) for a game played by teams not in the playoff system.