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Arizona State 41, Arizona 34
It's got to be an awful way of life. Your grades in high school aren't good enough to get into a real school in a real city, so you end up enrolling in a glorified trade school in a dinky little mining town, and from the moment you arrive you're introduced to hatred and jealousy, with everything pinpointed to one singular event - a football game which you lose.
What a pathetic existence.
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I don't know about the AZ schools, other than that ASU in my field is very highly rated. Is it the case that in AZ, Blank State U. is more academically prestigious than U. of Blank? If so, it must be one of very few states with that distinction.
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Their appeal is different. If you want the big college/big city experience, ASU is for you. When I was there, ASU was the biggest non-Big 10 school in the country. Now it's the biggest period. If you want a smaller school in a smaller city, then you're a UofA person. In all honesty, they're both roughly equivalent academically, but which one has the edge has always been a matter of debate. UofA people say it's easier to get into ASU, but that's because so many more students are accepted.
Tucson and UofA by extension have always had a little brother mentality toward Phoenix and ASU, and that engenders a lot of animosity, and hostility in some instances.
For the true non-conformists, there's Northern Arizona University. You get to live in Flagstaff, eat all the roots and berries you can collect, and hate everyone from both of the other two schools.
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"For the true non-conformists, there's Northern Arizona University."
I applied for a job there. Except for the dryness, I think I would have loved it. I've driven in and around it several times, love mountains, love wilderness. Now we have good friends in Ft. Defiance, on the reservation, so it would be even cooler. It's always nicer to enter a place with someone to open the door and give you place in society.
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Max wrote:
"For the true non-conformists, there's Northern Arizona University."
I applied for a job there. Except for the dryness, I think I would have loved it. I've driven in and around it several times, love mountains, love wilderness. Now we have good friends in Ft. Defiance, on the reservation, so it would be even cooler. It's always nicer to enter a place with someone to open the door and give you place in society.
Most people think of deserts and 100 degree temps when they think of Arizona, but the upper third of the state is very similar to Maine or Vermont. There's a ski resort in the Flagstaff area that gets plenty of snow, it just doesn't have the elevations of Utah or Colorado.
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"Most people think of deserts and 100 degree temps when they think of Arizona, but the upper third of the state is very similar to Maine or Vermont." If Maine and Vermont were made of red stone covered with one pine tree every 20 feet. But I know what you mean, Phoenix, Tuscon, and saguaro cactus are just one part. The Grand Canyon is 5000 feet deep, and yet still the Colorado manages to flow hundreds of more miles and empty into the ocean . . . meaning that the rim must be pretty high up there, and elevation roughly equates to latitude in terms of ecology.
I would love to live there for a few years and explore the Navajo and Supai Reservations, but long term the lack of humidity would drive me nuts. I think I have finally found home here in the far northwest.
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"There's a ski resort in the Flagstaff area that gets plenty of snow"
Speaking or ski resorts, I don't ski because I can't afford it, but it turns out our local resort here get the most snow of any ski resort in North America. Friends who ski tell me it's insane: