"Now, regarding Ichiro, I suspect that the Mariners were willing to go the extra mile to accommodate his wishes when they traded him"

They wouldn't have had a choice.  Ichiro had 10 & 5 protection.  He had to agree to any proposed trade.

tkihshbt wrote:

Sounds like the Cardinals are looking seriously at Scutaro and will definitely trade Schumaker.

I would prefer Yunel Escobar to Scutaro, even though he's a colossal dick, but if they can come away with one of those, Sean Burnett and Scott Hairston and stop bunting with fucking Jon Jay they probably win 93 games.

I would be surprised if they weren't interested in Scutaro.  Maybe I am stretching a point, but I tend to think their interest in Suppan all those years back was partly because he did some of his best pitching against the Cardinals, shortly before he went on the market.  After watching that guy kick their ass it would be hard not to see him as a potential answer.

I am curious as to how tradable Schumaker is.  He has struck me as one of those guys that La Russa likes and promotes, but who wouldn't have much value outside of a La Russa managed team.  He is a defensive plus in the outfield, and his work ethic is unassailable.  But his offense is so weak for an outfielder that he just doesn't find a place easily.

forsberg_us wrote:

"Now, regarding Ichiro, I suspect that the Mariners were willing to go the extra mile to accommodate his wishes when they traded him"

They wouldn't have had a choice.  Ichiro had 10 & 5 protection.  He had to agree to any proposed trade.

Good point.  And frankly I probably heard as much on local radio.  I didn't watch baseball this year, but I live close enough to Seattle that we get their news.  I remember being in the bar the night the trade was announced.

"It may be that Cards FO will privately seethe, but as long as it is not forbidden in his contract, it doesn't surprise me one bit that he would accept the opportunity to play for glory of Mexico."

Unless Mexico is willing to insure the remaining $23M of his contract, I'd say the Cardinal front office will do more than privately seethe.

forsberg_us wrote:

"He is a defensive plus in the outfield, and his work ethic is unassailable.  But his offense is so weak for an outfielder that he just doesn't find a place easily."

Outfielder A
.277/.308/.361/.669

Outfielder B
.280/.336/.358/.694

Pick one

Small difference.  Are you saying Schu is tradable?

Well, I think we're all agreed that Ichiro doesn't have a lot of value, other than his name and watching him break some records.  Could the Yankees sign Ichiro and then trade him?

Look, I could be way off base.  I am just wondering if Schu has any trade value at all, or in La Russaian terminology, could a trade for Schu bring "legitimate help"?  Is the answer is, "yes", then "WOO HOO!"

tkihshbt wrote:

Sounds like the Cardinals are looking seriously at Scutaro and will definitely trade Schumaker.

I would prefer Yunel Escobar to Scutaro, even though he's a colossal dick, but if they can come away with one of those, Sean Burnett and Scott Hairston and stop bunting with fucking Jon Jay they probably win 93 games.

Was Escobar the guy who wrote "Fags suck" in Spanish on his eyeblack pads last season?

APIAD wrote:

On third thought he sounds to pricey in both years and dollars.


"2:10pm: Bidding for Scutaro is said to have reached something in the neighborhood of three years and $24MM, with the Giants still in the lead, tweets ESPN.com's Buster Olney.

12:27pm: Scutaro isn't expected to sign with another team without the Giants getting a final shot at him, says Henry Schulman of the San Francisco Chronicle (Sulia link).

11:43am: The market for free agent infielder Marco Scutaro is heating up, according to Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. The FOX duo reports that the Cardinals are eyeing Scutaro as a potential starting second baseman, while the Yankees, in the wake of news of Alex Rodriguez's hip surgery, also likely have interest.

The Giants have also been working to re-sign Scutaro, as we heard yesterday that San Francisco had been "bending over backward" to retain Scutaro and Angel Pagan. With Pagan locked up, the Giants may become more aggressive on the 2012 NLCS MVP.

The Cardinals met with Scutaro's agent Barry Praver on Monday in Nashville, as Danny Knobler of CBS Sports tweeted last night.

Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/st_louis_cardinals/index.html#PCh60Y4GwTPGMUlU.99 "

See what I mean ...

Not too thrilled about Beltran and Molina playing in the WBC either.

"Could the Yankees sign Ichiro and then trade him?"

Good question. He obviously doesn't have 10/5 anymore because he was traded from the M's. I'm pretty certain if you sign a FA from another team, you can't trade him until around July, but I'm not sure what happens if a FA signs with his most recent team. I assume he could be traded right away, but that's just a guess.

Max wrote:

Well, I think we're all agreed that Ichiro doesn't have a lot of value, other than his name and watching him break some records.  Could the Yankees sign Ichiro and then trade him?

Look, I could be way off base.  I am just wondering if Schu has any trade value at all, or in La Russaian terminology, could a trade for Schu bring "legitimate help"?  Is the answer is, "yes", then "WOO HOO!"

Trading Skip would be a salary dump and free up a roster space move.  I wouldnt look to get much in return.  Maybe a midlevel prospect but yeah, that is what we thought when Freese arrived.

artie_fufkin wrote:

tkihshbt wrote:

Sounds like the Cardinals are looking seriously at Scutaro and will definitely trade Schumaker.

I would prefer Yunel Escobar to Scutaro, even though he's a colossal dick, but if they can come away with one of those, Sean Burnett and Scott Hairston and stop bunting with fucking Jon Jay they probably win 93 games.

Was Escobar the guy who wrote "Fags suck" in Spanish on his eyeblack pads last season?

Yeah. He was traded to Tampa last night.

artie_fufkin wrote:

"Another name that was floating around in rumorland was Dee Gordon from the Dodgers."

Would the Dodgers really move him?

Supposedly Hanley is headed back to SS. The rumor was they were looking for young pitching. The Cardinals have pitching and a need for a SS. I'm not sure there were ever real discussions as opposed to someone at MLB Network deciding it could make sense.