The hunting curse apparently extends to ex-Cubs, as well:

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/dec/05/cashner-hurt-hunting-accident/

I am not sure what type of pitchers the Phillies gave up or what the Cardinals would have had to do to match it but Young would have been a nice fit.  2012 wasnt a great year for him but he doesnt have health issues.  He could have played at any infield position and batted in the middle of the order.  I doubt it would be a good idea to make him the everyday SS but at least he could play there.  the Cardinals dont seem as worried as I am about not having a backup third baseman.  It is fine to ride Delscalso at second or even short.  However if Freese goes down, like he normally does, they lose a middle of the order batter and third baseman.  Adding Young and playing him at second would provide protection to Freese and Furcal at the same time.  If the Rangers are picking up 10 million then it would have olny cost the Cardinals 6 million.  Again IDK what the Phillies gave up to get him.  I cant think the payroll maxed Phillies would have gave up top tier projected cost controled pitchers.

"the Cardinals dont seem as worried as I am about not having a backup third baseman"

Matt Carpenter is the backup 3rd baseman, isn't he?

artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

"the Cardinals dont seem as worried as I am about not having a backup third baseman"

Matt Carpenter is the backup 3rd baseman, isn't he?

Scal can play third, too. And Rick Ankiel is available.

AP was expressing concern that if Freese got hurt, the team would lose a middle of the order-type bat. IMO, M. Carpenter is a better middle of the order bat than M. Young.

Good god the Royals are stupid.

Not sure if anyone else saw it, but Game 6 of the 2003 NLCS was on MLBN last night. Watching that one never gets old.
And Alex Gonzalez ought to wake up every morning and thank Steve Bartman for going to that game. That error on what would have been an inning-ending double play ball was far more damaging than anything the geek with the headphones did.

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tkihshbt wrote:

Jonah Keri of Grantland pointed out this morning that revenues are about to explode and we haven't even begun to see the full effect of it.

The Dodgers are spending all this money on the basis of their TV deal, which of course begs the question by Magic Johnson et al are allowed to commit those resources and McCourt wasn't. I know we've been hearing this since the advent of free agency, but if Bud wants the Yankees and Dodgers to play in the World Series every year, he's going about it the right way.

"CLEVELAND (AP) -- The Cleveland Indians have traded outfielder Shin-Soo Choo to the Cincinnati Reds and acquired pitcher Trevor Bauer from the Arizona Diamondbacks in a three-team deal involving nine players.
Center fielder Drew Stubbs was sent from Cincinnati to Cleveland as part of the trade announced Tuesday night.
In addition to Stubbs, the Indians received Bauer, the No. 3 pick in the 2011 draft, and right-handers Matt Albers and Bryan Shaw from the Diamondbacks.
Cleveland shipped Choo, infielder-outfielder Jason Donald and cash to the Reds, while sending left-handed reliever Tony Sipp and first baseman Lars Anderson to Arizona.
The Diamondbacks also received minor league shortstop Didi Gregorius from Cincinnati."

Kind of an odd deal for the Reds, especially after they re-signed Ludwick. They have three corner outfielders and no centerfielder. Donald is filler.
I don't know much about the prospects the Diamondbacks acquired, but I can't believe they gave up Bauer. The winner of this deal right now is the Indians. They got a potential top of the line pitcher for a player they were probably going to lose at the end of the 2013 season anyway.

forsberg_us wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

"the Cardinals dont seem as worried as I am about not having a backup third baseman"

Matt Carpenter is the backup 3rd baseman, isn't he?

Scal can play third, too. And Rick Ankiel is available.

AP was expressing concern that if Freese got hurt, the team would lose a middle of the order-type bat. IMO, M. Carpenter is a better middle of the order bat than M. Young.

I worry Carpenter will be overexposed as an everyday player and dont see him as a middle of the order type bat.  However he is a suitable backup third baseman.

alz wrote:

Bye Skip. I think I was the only guy in St. Louis who liked ya.

Well, like Rick and Ilsa will always have Paris, Skippy and Cardinal Nation will always have Game 5 of the 2011 NLDS. Bon voyage, Skip. You were a consummate pro in St. Louis who always put the needs of the team before your own.

"ESPNLosAngeles.com reported early this morning that the Cardinals will receive minor-league shortstop Jake Lemmerman in the deal. Lemmerman, 23, was a fifth-round draft pick from Duke in 2010; he batted .233 with seven homers and 46 RBIs at Class AA Chattanooga in 2012."

APIAD wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

Scal can play third, too. And Rick Ankiel is available.

AP was expressing concern that if Freese got hurt, the team would lose a middle of the order-type bat. IMO, M. Carpenter is a better middle of the order bat than M. Young.

I worry Carpenter will be overexposed as an everyday player and dont see him as a middle of the order type bat.

At this stage of his career, neither is Michael Young.  Given a choice between the two, I'd rather have Carpenter.

alz wrote:

Bye Skip. I think I was the only guy in St. Louis who liked ya.

Skip was the consummate scrappy white guy that St. Louis fans love.  Problem was that once he lost what little speed he had, his offense became extremely limited.  Still, he was a great "team first" type of guy.