"Choo is a huge upgrade over Stubbs."

Aye. If he can stay healthy, he really gives them a better bat. At least one that won't strike out 200 times. I still don't understand the logic that they can get away with him playing center because GABP is a bandbox. The Reds still have to play half their games on the road. It'll be interesting to see what happens once they get to San Diego and San Francisco.

artie_fufkin wrote:

"Choo is a huge upgrade over Stubbs."

Aye. If he can stay healthy, he really gives them a better bat. At least one that won't strike out 200 times. I still don't understand the logic that they can get away with him playing center because GABP is a bandbox. The Reds still have to play half their games on the road. It'll be interesting to see what happens once they get to San Diego and San Francisco.

Yeah, there's going to be some adventures out there for Choo. Hopefully his terrible defense negatively affects Arroyo and Latos, who the definition of fly ball pitchers. 

Bernie along with several other are acting like Loshe is a option even tho the front office has said he isnt.

i think i am rooting for tosenthal to stay in the pen.  i dont care if miller or kelly get the 5th spot in the rotation as long as rosenthal and his 100mph fastball gets some more time to season.

APIAD wrote:

i think i am rooting for tosenthal to stay in the pen.  i dont care if miller or kelly get the 5th spot in the rotation as long as rosenthal and his 100mph fastball gets some more time to season.

I hope that's the plan. From what we saw last year, Rosenthal really doesn't have even a second pitch, much less the third pitch he would need to be an effective starter.
As far as Miller is concerned, I'd rather see him start the season in Memphis until Garcia's shoulder blows out.
 

artie_fufkin wrote:

APIAD wrote:

i think i am rooting for tosenthal to stay in the pen.  i dont care if miller or kelly get the 5th spot in the rotation as long as rosenthal and his 100mph fastball gets some more time to season.

I hope that's the plan. From what we saw last year, Rosenthal really doesn't have even a second pitch, much less the third pitch he would need to be an effective starter.
As far as Miller is concerned, I'd rather see him start the season in Memphis until Garcia's shoulder blows out.

 
According to Chad, Rosenthal has 4 quality pitches: his fastball, a curve, a cutter and a change up.  We didn't see them because there wasn't a need.

Chad's opinion is that the Cardinals make a terrible mistake putting Rosenthal in the pen.  Pitching one inning at a time, he doesn't need those other pitches, he'll quit using them and be nothing more than a bullpen pitcher for life.  Chad envisions Rosenthal as a future #1, top 10-20 pitcher in the league caliber starter.

And where would Rosenthal pitch in our bullpen?  They spent over $3M to bring back Mujica.  I doubt they did so to have him pitch in the 6th inning.

"According to Chad, Rosenthal has 4 quality pitches: his fastball, a curve, a cutter and a change up.  We didn't see them because there wasn't a need."

Well, that's enlightening. I suppose when you've got a 100 mph and you're only going to pitch an inning anyway, you don't want to be beat with your second-best pitch.

"And where would Rosenthal pitch in our bullpen?  They spent over $3M to bring back Mujica.  I doubt they did so to have him pitch in the 6th inning."

I may be on an island here, but I like Mujica. I think he had one bad inning in the playoffs, and one bad inning in the regular season, but other than that he was nails after the Cardinals got him. I'll go as far as saying the Cardinals don't make the playoffs if they don't go out and get him, considering the flotsam and jetsam they used in the sixth and seventh innings before he arrived.

"kelly doesnt have a wide range of pitches either."

Maybe not. But he can throw 94-95, and he's got a pretty nasty curve. And he's proven to be a valuable pinch-runner.

artie_fufkin wrote:

That might be taking off too much weight. But I like the commitment.
 

He also shaved his beard and got a haircut. So that accounts for at least 10 pounds.

lynn looks 5 years younger