APIAD wrote:

it is looking like furcal is out for the year.  his elbow is getting worst and not better.  what should the cardinals do?  cedano isnt hitting yet and kozma is always going to be kozma.

Geez, go figure Furcal's torn ligament didn't heal.
 

This might be a chance to play Ryan Jackson, who was supposedly ready to play defense on a MLB diamond on Day One. Guessing that's not going to happen though.

artie_fufkin wrote:

tkihshbt wrote:

This might be a chance to play Ryan Jackson, who was supposedly ready to play defense on a MLB diamond on Day One. Guessing that's not going to happen though.

For whatever reason, MM seems to think Kozma is a better option than Jackson. I haven't seen enough of Jackson to know whether he's a major league shortstop, but it's not like he's got to beat out Honus Wagner.
 

I thought we concluded last season that Jackson must've banged Mrs. Matheny.  I don't even remember Larussa burying a guy as quickly as Jackson got buried on last year's roster.

"I don't even remember Larussa burying a guy as quickly as Jackson got buried on last year's roster."

Didn't TLR banish Mike Maroth to a Siberian prison camp after about a week?
Then there was the Juan Gonzalez fiasco. His tenure with the Birds on the Bat lasted either one inning or one at bat, I can't remember which. But it was Spring Training, so I guess that doesn't count.

forsberg_us wrote:

"Didn't TLR banish Mike Maroth to a Siberian prison camp after about a week?"
According to Baseball Reference, Maroth made a month's worth of starts (6) before being banished to the bullpen.  And in fairness to Larussa, in the 3 starts before being sent to the pen, Maroth gave up 23 ER in 14 IP, so at least Maroth did something to earn his way into the doghouse.

Oh, I'm not saying Maroth didn't deserve the Gulag. He probably didn't warrant being signed in the first place. He was a giant orb of suckishness long before the Cardinals got ahold of him. Shows you how desperate they were that season.
 

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"Oh, I'm not saying Maroth didn't deserve the Gulag. He probably didn't warrant being signed in the first place."

Didn't the Cardinals trade a former 1st round pick for Maroth?  Not a good one, but for some reason I thought they traded one of those "vaunted" prospects to acquire Maroth. 
 

"Mozeliak not happy the Cardinals are being criticized for the Furcal situation."

If this was a singular incident? Yeah ... maybe. But Moz is being entirely disingenuous by ignoring the historical evidence that the Cardinals have downplayed practically every single injury since Dizzy Dean got beaned in the 1934 World Series.

Didnt lambert get some time in the majors.  I have been suprised that pj walters has got alittle play.  whasnt chris narvaston or what ever in the cards system as well.  

he has pitch quit a bit for the brewers tho.  i mean for as shitty pitchef as he is

Jess Todd pitched a couple dozen games with the Indians, posted an ERA over 7 and was released.  He was briefly back in the Cardinals organization but has since been released.

Mozeliak's response to the Furcal situation is BS.  No one that I've read is suggesting they should have forced Furcal to have surgery.  For one, you can't force a player to have surgery and two, if Furcal had undergone the surgery he likely would have been lost for the year anyway.  The criticism is that the team didn't do anything to protect itself in the event this happened.  Yunel Escobar changed teams twice this off-season.  Mike Aviles was traded.  Stephen Drew signed for 1 year.  Any of those options would have been significantly better than Ronny Cedeno or Pete Kozma.

APIAD wrote:

he has pitch quit a bit for the brewers tho.  i mean for as shitty pitchef as he is

He was their fifth starter a couple of years ago and was pretty effective until he got hurt.
 

that is why i dont understand wht jackson isnt at least getting looks.  how bad can he be.  he isnt even beimg considered.  tulowiski isnt going to happen but this club could use his middle of the order bat.  this club got luck with berkman in 2011 and beltran in 2012.  that shit wint keep happening.

Max wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

"Mozeliak's response to the Furcal situation is BS."

Aye.
Maybe going with Kozma was the plan all along. I don't know. He's certainly a cheaper option, and he's got an advocate in the clubhouse. You would think with all those experienced baseball people in the front office they would have learned it's difficult to have a winning club when you skimp on defense at shortstop. It's the reason they went out and got Furcal in the first place.
If Jackson is the goods defensively, then I'd rather see them go with him and try to account for his offense elsewhere. It's not like Kozma is going to put up .300/30/100 anyway.

They had the best defensive SS in the league by a wide margin, and he was cheap and cost controlled, but they let him go because of personality issues.  So a first guess is that personality issues loom large again.  

He also had an OPS of .573 the season before they traded him. And he somehow managed to get worse last year. It's OK to suck at the plate if you've got Brendan Ryan's glove. And it's OK to be surly. But you can't suck at the plate and be surly.