Couldn't happen to a better guy.

"Nothing happens if he goes to first base like in baseball you know you do, because you know he's not throwing at you 3-2 in a 2-1 game. That's zero understanding of the game of baseball. He shouldn't play a game until Greinke can pitch."

Historically, charging the mound has drawn a four- to eight-game suspension. Between now and June 1, a reasonable estimate for Greinke's return, the Dodgers play 44 games.


Greinke might have pitched in 8-9 of those 44 games, so a suspension longer than that duration wouldn't be appropriate.

I despise both of them. Greinke is an oddball dickhead and Quentin is an ass who gets plunked because he stands in there and doesn't move, then bitches at the pitcher. Both of them suck in the way they carry themselves on the field, but I just can't condone players fighting at all. It's completely unnecessary and while it can provide some good drama, I'd prefer that stay away from baseball. 

Also, nobody rolls their eyes harder than me at the "be good role models for the kids!" thing, but this kind of bullshit makes an impression. We don't need more kids to act like assholes on the playing field. I see enough of it every day. 

Max wrote:

forsberg_us wrote:

"Nothing happens if he goes to first base like in baseball you know you do, because you know he's not throwing at you 3-2 in a 2-1 game. That's zero understanding of the game of baseball. He shouldn't play a game until Greinke can pitch."

Historically, charging the mound has drawn a four- to eight-game suspension. Between now and June 1, a reasonable estimate for Greinke's return, the Dodgers play 44 games.


Greinke might have pitched in 8-9 of those 44 games, so a suspension longer than that duration wouldn't be appropriate.

"He should not play a game until Greinke can pitch. If he plays before Greinke pitches, something's wrong. He caused the whole thing. Nothing happens if he goes to first base."

I agree with Mattingly here.  Not because I think it will happen, but because the punishment must fit the crime or else crime pays. Witness the American financial industry.  

Mattingly is fucked in the head. Quentin doesn't charge the mound if Greinke doesn't plunk him up around the shoulders. I don't blame Quentin for charging the mound. This is the third time Greinke has plunked Quentin. I'd get sick of some miserable dickhead using my skull for target practice at 90 mph. 
 

forsberg_us wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

Max wrote:

"He should not play a game until Greinke can pitch. If he plays before Greinke pitches, something's wrong. He caused the whole thing. Nothing happens if he goes to first base."

I agree with Mattingly here.  Not because I think it will happen, but because the punishment must fit the crime or else crime pays. Witness the American financial industry.  

Mattingly is fucked in the head. Quentin doesn't charge the mound if Greinke doesn't plunk him up around the shoulders. I don't blame Quentin for charging the mound. This is the third time Greinke has plunked Quentin. I'd get sick of some miserable dickhead using my skull for target practice at 90 mph.  

Quentin has been plunked 116 times in a 7 year career.  When you get hit that often, you share some of the blame.

Maybe, but Mattingly's quote was Quentin "caused the whole thing." I'm pretty sure if Greinke throws a pitch in the strike zone, Quentin doesn't end up charging the mound,
 

artie_fufkin wrote:

Maybe, but Mattingly's quote was Quentin "caused the whole thing." I'm pretty sure if Greinke throws a pitch in the strike zone, Quentin doesn't end up charging the mound,
 

Then there is this: "Dodgers manager Don Mattingly was livid, saying it shouldn't have happened because Quentin was hit on a 3-2 pitch in a one-run game."

I think Mattingly's comment is that if Quentin thinks the HBP was intentional then Quentin is stupid. 

Max wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

Maybe, but Mattingly's quote was Quentin "caused the whole thing." I'm pretty sure if Greinke throws a pitch in the strike zone, Quentin doesn't end up charging the mound,
 

Then there is this: "Dodgers manager Don Mattingly was livid, saying it shouldn't have happened because Quentin was hit on a 3-2 pitch in a one-run game."

I think Mattingly's comment is that if Quentin thinks the HBP was intentional then Quentin is stupid. 

I agree with that part, but Mattingly said that Quentin "caused the whole thing." That's bullshit. If Greinke doesn't hit him, he doesn't charge the mound. Now whether Quentin should have charged the mound is a different argument.
As far as their relative intelligence is concerned. Quentin was smart enough to get into Stanford. He's probably had deeper thoughts when he was asleep than a couple of mouth-breathers like Mattingly snd Greinke have had when they're awake.
 

tkihshbt wrote:

I despise both of them. Greinke is an oddball dickhead and Quentin is an ass who gets plunked because he stands in there and doesn't move, then bitches at the pitcher. Both of them suck in the way they carry themselves on the field, but I just can't condone players fighting at all. It's completely unnecessary and while it can provide some good drama, I'd prefer that stay away from baseball. 

Also, nobody rolls their eyes harder than me at the "be good role models for the kids!" thing, but this kind of bullshit makes an impression. We don't need more kids to act like assholes on the playing field. I see enough of it every day. 

 

I can respect a fight like this or even the cards/reds fight.  I mean those were intense.  I dont agree with them but at least i can see people were pissed.  The normal clearing of the benchs and everyone standing and looking at eachother is a waste.  In sports ur always going to have fights.  It just happens.  
 

APIAD wrote:

I didnt see a good replay but didnt greinke meet quentin.  I dont believehe backed away.  

. . . a 245 pound guy is charging the mound (automatic suspension I believe), what's he supposed to do, turn and run like a pussy?  The article says he dropped his shoulder to absorb the charge.  Pitchers who intend to slug it out are more aggressive than that.

Max wrote:

APIAD wrote:

I didnt see a good replay but didnt greinke meet quentin.  I dont believehe backed away.  

. . . a 245 pound guy is charging the mound (automatic suspension I believe), what's he supposed to do, turn and run like a pussy?  The article says he dropped his shoulder to absorb the charge.  Pitchers who intend to slug it out are more aggressive than that.

 

Ive seen plenty of pitchers back peddle untill one of the big boys can step in.  Call me a pussy i guess.  I dont really intend on fighting but if i did i wouldnt pick the biggest guy in the bar.  
 

APIAD wrote:

Max wrote:

APIAD wrote:

I didnt see a good replay but didnt greinke meet quentin.  I dont believehe backed away.  

. . . a 245 pound guy is charging the mound (automatic suspension I believe), what's he supposed to do, turn and run like a pussy?  The article says he dropped his shoulder to absorb the charge.  Pitchers who intend to slug it out are more aggressive than that.

 

Ive seen plenty of pitchers back peddle untill one of the big boys can step in.  Call me a pussy i guess.  I dont really intend on fighting but if i did i wouldnt pick the biggest guy in the bar.  
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuGp2ZRGIqI
 

artie_fufkin wrote:

Max wrote:

artie_fufkin wrote:

"a 245 pound guy is charging the mound"

The Dodgers are still crying like Greinke was the innocent victim of some random car-jacking. Don't hit the 245-pound guy in the arm with a 90 mph fastball and he won't charge the mound.
 

It was a mistake.  That's like blaming Aaron Miles for ending Juan Encarnacion's career with a foul ball to the eye. 

 

Really?? So the other two times Greinke hit Quentin, those were also mistakes and Quentin is just a victim of unfortunate coincidence?
What happened between Miles and Encarnacion was an accident, not a mistake. As much as I loathe Miles, he can hardly be held responsible for that.

Were the other 114 times Quentin has been hit all on purpose?  If Quentin doesn't want to get hit, move back off the plate. But if you crowd the plate, you lose the right to bitch when you get hit.